Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
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yeah but he only said that after i townread you
yeah but if you think that i decided to leave you for later to avoid putting attention on those people, that means i must've had reason to think it'd put attention on those people before deciding to leave you for later
but my reads of you of 'i think shes town but could be scum in the future' came before any of those people started pushing on you, so id have no reason to worry about them being in the spotlight, at the time of making my opinions of you
so that can't have been my intention
it could've been vat's yeah
but if mafia and town both get the information then townreading someone for having that information makes no more sense than scumreading them for it
i think you're defending tim since you think he's gonna switch to scum too and thus is gonna be your future scumbuddy
Wait, but that's what I agreed upon that I'd be game-breaking?
I'm pretty sure sessy said that I'd be unbalanced if the sinners get converted, which I agreed to, or did I misread her statement??
I personally don't believe conversion would work since again, i'd be unbalanced.
Actually, now that you mentioned it, I do have a theory that has been on my mind yesterday. And it is regarding the role of saints and how they tie with sinners.
Judging by the Saints & Sinners summary, Saints would be town-aligned and are the juxtaposition of the devil (mafia-aligned?) and would able to help the sinners. - I was thinking that the Saint's power role would be to purify sinners in some way or form.
The power role would be either:
1) To prevent sinner's from dealing with the devil
or
2) To save them from the consequences of dealing with the devil
I hope this would be somewhat relevant to talk about later because I think everyone is occupied with other discussions? - I was inactive yesterday, so I'll try to keep up what everyone has been saying up to this point.
Appreciate the response anyways. G2H what do you want to do with this day rn.
If there is a cap as you mention earlier, than everyone would try to go for conversion b/c a 2-person cap means maf can theoretically win in a day. That's absurd. Either all deal-makers swap in that scenario or it's dangerous/altered enough so that they are not inclined to do so, if that makes sense.
Boils down to believing a town would not gamethrow like that in an ideal world since that just sucks. Also me believing that Stranger would balance things in such a way that such scenarios would be impossible/incredibly unlikely. And, if Alisha plans to swap in this scenario, she'd be gamethrowing for maf as well since her allegiance change would be sus'd or outright known.
Like I said, it's the Notty thing. Notty would breed chaos but they weren't stupid.
But what if scum!Beta is sheeping town!Sess
Their current theories on game mechanics have been good content imo. Plus their unwillingness to trust Tim/Alisha immediately and questioning their claims since claiming D0 is always worth being skeptical of. Would lean town atm.
If you used the numbers argument out of the gate I'd buy it b/c that's true, but it hinged more on you having no confident sus's rather than numbers.
Cult roles are generally disliked/conversion roles in general b/c they can very quickly complicate a game or end it prematurely. Generally cult roles are hard to take down and rob players of abilities/wincons which is frustrating.
Good discussion on roles and the like. I want thoughts on players though. Where are you voting?
nice strawman bro; we're supposed to be working together so why don't you add something useful if you have criticism of my game plan
I only switched to Alisha because at the time fog was voting her and I figured it might be easier to get her lynched today - then fog immidiately removed his vote lmao
I mean surely you've done that more yourself? You've been the biggest supporter of my vampire alignment switch theory - if you are a sinner and that is true then we most likely would have to lynch you further in game.
I've literally said multiple times I don't - it is a possibility, not a probability
It doesn't - it just means that we don't necessarily only have 2 free lynches?
besides why are you so sure a role like that or a blocker type role doesn't exist?
Inf likes to pretend he's better than me at mafia ?
I'm not even sure where to begin with this line.
1) What strawman? You said we don't need any abilties, now you're using the potential presence of unknown abilities to throw shade at inf.
2) What is your game plan? Lynch Alisha and me? Why wouldn't I take issue with that? You want to use valuable mislynches to policy lynch a role that you think (not know) is a liability.
We don't need x to win therefore x is useless and won't have any effect on the out come of the game
What a great, good faith argument, thank you Tim for contributing to this mafia game - I have reconsidered everything I have said this game because of you!
What's wrong with lynching based on educated belief? Are you saying unless you have solid proof someone is a mafia you can't lynch them. I have good reason to believe you being alive is a detriment to town by either having a deal with the devil down the line or actually being mafia yourself. I have seen many a lynch for less, don't pretend that I don't have an argument for your lynch. Either argue for a better alternative or accept and vote yourself or alisha.
The point I'm trying to make here is that you're making out a me/alisha lynch( even as town) to be as good as lynching a mafia, which is distinctly not true.
Initially I was townreading you for the idea but at this point your insistence has me feeling that you're trying to push a lynch on the pretext of "there's an unspecified downside that this role might come with, so we need to kill them" to get an easy mislynch.
Vote Aqua
that's assuming everyone believes the deal results in a conversion though, sinners don't know what the deal does
and like i said it could be that the devil needs to meet certain requirements in order to be able to accept a deal
they may not be able to accept more than 1 per day as well
idk what you mean about "if Alisha plans to swap in this scenario, she'd be gamethrowing for maf as well since her allegiance change would be sus'd or outright known."? she could switch and town don't necessarily think she did switch/opt to lynch her
but to be clear, im not argueing for this conversion theory, i think its possible but im not saying i think its the case, alisha is, and that's all that matters for my point on her
and i wouldn't say alisha is being stupid here. if alisha genuinely believes the deal results in conversion then i can easily see her bringing it up, then planning to convert, using the argument of 'why would i bring the conversion possibility up when i planned to convert myself, that'd just make people alert to conversions and shoot myself in the foot' to try to get away with it
but i don't think beta would pile on suspicion on a scumbuddy (vat in this case) like that so early on, even if it was to sheep a town, so i dont think that's what would be happening
good content, but easy content to make as a scum to contribute. why does his contributions to theorycrafting = townie?
i don't see why this is townie either unless you think one of alisha/tim are scum? aqua could easily be unwilling to trust them and question their claims if he's scum, either just to look like he's scumhunting or because he doesn't want townies to be townread too hard, since scum obv benefit from having as little townies be trusted as possible.
nope
this is the first time i mentioned wanting to NL and it's about the numbers. ive said several times that i want to lynch if im confident in someone since i'd rather lynch scum than nl, but otherwise will want to nl, and that the reason is because of the extra night actions it gives us
yeah but we should be working under the worst case scenario assumption where that doesn't happen, not assuming it does
i'm not, i'm just not assuming we have one, and so its too risky to lynch a sinner who i dont necessarily scumread, rather than nl/lynch a scumread imo
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since i have no reason to believe alignment switching is actually a thing. if it becomes evident its a thing then i will want to lynch her, until then i think shes town and could easily not be able to switch alignments at all
you can go to their profile and click 'latest posts' and scroll through those
other than all the other points I brought up and the fact you just got caught out trying to strawman me in a team based game, I don't see why a townie would do that to a fellow townie ?
tbf other than Tim and to a lesser extent alisha I'm fairly sus of beta and unu too, niether have contributed much other than repeating what's already been said as their own opinions. (altho beta did have that post about a saint being a counter part to the devil which is an interesting idea but could easily be fishing for reactions from town prs)
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