Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Aqua]

Given the vote, it should be clear that I don't think you're a fellow townie.
I know our personalities generally clash, so I've tried to be patient but I'm fed up

Ok but that doesn't explain why you tried to twist my words to make me look like I was contradicting myself

there is no reason a townie would need to do that if my POV had flaws, which arguably it does. But instead you resorted to strawmanning me to make me look stupid in an attempt to undermine my argument.

Why did you do that if you're genuinely trying to work towards townie victory?

also slightly off topic but my take on gun control is

We don't need guns to defend ourselves, therefore guns are useless and won't have any effect on the out come of an armed robbery :)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

but really

unvote
vote Infected_Alien8_

why

 

[Fog]

but what changed in the last few posts where you went from thinking alisha should be lynched vs suddenly thinking she's probably town

As explained in an earlier post, I said how I felt Alisha and/or Tim could be the devil and know about the sinner’s abilities and be trying to play it off. However, I think this is unlikely and I believe that if needed their “abilities” May prove to be beneficial to the town if we/they decide to use them

What makes Tim/Alisha t/t for you?

I think it’s unlikely that two mafia players would be able to craft up the idea of having a role as described by them without being able to negotiate how best to play the game. Yet it isn’t impossible.

even if the devil isn't mafia

I read this and I thought, is it guaranteed that the Devil is a player? For all we know it could be a random generator? Which could be used by the “voodoo” people as a cover as a bigger threat? Like say if it’s the case of Mafia have a higher success rate at getting an ability without a negative consequence? Just a thought...

 

[Aqua]

I think it’s unlikely that two mafia players would be able to craft up the idea of having a role as described by them without being able to negotiate how best to play the game. Yet it isn’t impossible.

If sinners exist in this concept I would bet good money mafia know how their roles work too.

We've already established they make their half of the deal during the day so it's a pretty safe assumption mafia/the devil have to use a night action to accept their deal at night.For that to work they'd have to know the sinner's role inside and out.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

As explained in an earlier post, I said how I felt Alisha and/or Tim could be the devil and know about the sinner’s abilities and be trying to play it off. However, I think this is unlikely and I believe that if needed their “abilities” May prove to be beneficial to the town if we/they decide to use them

but what changed to you suddenly thinking 'this is unlikely'

I think it’s unlikely that two mafia players would be able to craft up the idea of having a role as described by them without being able to negotiate how best to play the game. Yet it isn’t impossible.

but you already said one of them could be the devil so surely it can be v/t? your opinions arent consistent at all

 

[Aqua]

If sinners exist in this concept I would bet good money mafia know how their roles work too.

We've already established they make their half of the deal during the day so it's a pretty safe assumption mafia/the devil have to use a night action to accept their deal at night.For that to work they'd have to know the sinner's role inside and out.

Fog to explain it better:

Day 1: Sinner requests deal with the Devil

Night 1: ?

Day 2: ?

Night 2: Sinner receives 1 shot PR

this gap in time implies there is some other parties actions that effects the deal - so likely in this case accepting the deal.

 

[Timdood3]

Ok but that doesn't explain why you tried to twist my words to make me look like I was contradicting myself

there is no reason a townie would need to do that if my POV had flaws, which arguably it does. But instead you resorted to strawmanning me to make me look stupid in an attempt to undermine my argument.

Why did you do that if you're genuinely trying to work towards townie victory?

also slightly off topic but my take on gun control is

We don't need guns to defend ourselves, therefore guns are useless and won't have any effect on the out come of an armed robbery :)

tbh I was being petty.

 

[Alisha]

tbh I was being petty.

man ive been trying to defend you too

 

[Aqua]

tbh I was being petty.

Well that's pretty mature of you to admit, so I'll accept ur apology and move on friendo :)

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

Votecount 7: 4 Hours To Go!​

Infected_Alien8_ - Vatumok, Alisha [L-5]
HKCaper - Unusual_Dood [L-6]
Vatumok - HKCaper [L-6]
Alisha - Aqua [L-6]
Aqua - Timdood3 [L-6]

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch and 6 votes to no-lynch. If hammer is not reached by the deadline, nobody will be lynched.

Click here for day 0 deadline!

 

[Timdood3]

We've already established they make their half of the deal during the day so it's a pretty safe assumption mafia/the devil have to use a night action to accept their deal at night.For that to work they'd have to know the sinner's role inside and out.

Not necessarily. The devil/mafia wouldn't need to know every facet of the sinner role. At night they could just get a message "A sinner is trying to make a deal, what consequence do you want to give them?"
I see that is pretty probable.

 

[Aqua]

Not necessarily. The devil/mafia wouldn't need to know every facet of the sinner role. At night they could just get a message "A sinner is trying to make a deal, what consequence do you want to give them?"

Yeah possibly but I feel like they'd be informed of the individual sinner right? Especially if you can continuously make deals I think the devil would have some way to keep track of each individual sinner. (plus lorewise it would be weird if the devil didn't know who he was making deals with - how would he know who's soul to steal?)

I still think it is a high possibility the devil/mafia would be able to blend in with sinners based off their roles especially how you and alisha sporadically gave out info - either one of you could have just been filling in the gaps from the other.

 

[Timdood3]

Yeah possibly but I feel like they'd be informed of the individual sinner right? Especially if you can continuously make deals I think the devil would have some way to keep track of each individual sinner. (plus lorewise it would be weird if the devil didn't know who he was making deals with - how would he know who's soul to steal?)

I mean yeah the example I gave would be the minimum amount of information.
But I don't think they already know who the sinners are or what we can do. After all, he's the devil, not god.

 

[Alisha]

I still think it is a high possibility the devil/mafia would be able to blend in with sinners based off their roles especially how you and alisha sporadically gave out info - either one of you could have just been filling in the gaps from the other.

i think that's a possibility but in the case there's more than 2 sinners anyone could have easily counterclaimed that information by now

 

[Aqua]

i think that's a possibility but in the case there's more than 2 sinners anyone could have easily counterclaimed that information by now

That would only be if you were both Mafia - and even then I still think it's possible mafia /could/ know exactly how sinners work to give them a cc, think republic

 

[Aqua]

But I don't think they already know who the sinners are or what we can do. After all, he's the devil, not god.

Oh yea sorry if I explained badly, I more assume he finds out who you are upon you making a deal, not from the start of the game. But I feel like he'd have some incite into how it works - especially if there's a hypnotist role like we've hypothesised (which tbh, out of everything is the most likely hypothetical IMO)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i think that's a possibility but in the case there's more than 2 sinners anyone could have easily counterclaimed that information by now

can you answer my question here:

but if the devil is mafia then surely they could easily know this too

even if the devil isn't mafia, maf could've been told that. why are you ignoring that possibility when you yourself give scum information at the start of the game?

 

[Alisha]

can you answer my question here:

i guess, but that's why i wanted to make sure town knew too so that there wouldn't be an information disadvantage

 

[Aqua]

Making a deal with the devil involves gaining an ability, but may have unexpected consequences. Deals are made by declaring them in the main thread.

fuck that doesn't help at all, you could easily be scum and know that

Well, yeah Alisha and I have the same role (but it doesn't have to be declared in thread what)

If you guys remember this interaction from the start fo the game where I tried to get Alisha and Tim to simultaneously claim their roles it definitely gives bad vibes

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i guess, but that's why i wanted to make sure town knew too so that there wouldn't be an information disadvantage

so you considered that maf got given that information and that's partly why you shared it yourself, yet you think tim is town because he had the information

i dont buy it

 

[Alisha]

so you considered that maf got given that information and that's partly why you shared it yourself, yet you think tim is town because he had the information

i dont buy it

i

huh.

 

[Aqua]

so you considered that maf got given that information and that's partly why you shared it yourself, yet you think tim is town because he had the information

i dont buy it

So with this pretty substantial pile of both hard and soft evidence, will you now please vote alisha?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

also i lowkey get bus vibes from fog + alisha

fog's vote and then complete 180 and inability to give an actual reason for it, and alisha's initial 'this is S U S' and then suddenly 'i cant read fog so hes neutral' feels bussy, like they wanted to throw shade but not go all in

maybe i was wrong and alishas just scum

 

[Fog]

but what changed to you suddenly thinking 'this is unlikely'

I never thought it was a likely situation, it was just an idea I thought I would share incase anybody had any additional information that could support or counter this theory.

this gap in time implies there is some other parties actions that effects the deal - so likely in this case accepting the deal.

Again, I don’t think it’s likely that it is a randomiser, but it’s a possibility. Gotta keep our minds open for any kind of bullshit

 

[Aqua]

also i lowkey get bus vibes from fog + alisha

fog's vote and then complete 180 and inability to give an actual reason for it, and alisha's initial 'this is S U S' and then suddenly 'i cant read fog so hes neutral' feels bussy, like they wanted to throw shade but not go all in

maybe i was wrong and alishas just scum

Hmmm you know that's another interesting point of evidence supporting a lynch of Alisha... what do you think we should do with this information?