CAPITALISM MAFIA
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happy now, the only reason is because i did not trust it,
just like you now, like i dont even know what i would have to gain by not clapping, besided maybe blocking a potentail 3rd party win condition
just like you now, like i dont even know what i would have to gain by not clapping, besided maybe blocking a potentail 3rd party win condition
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well I'm caught up (sorry if I missed anything) *clap*
I kind of skimmed Iggish's argument about countries but I highly doubt alignment would be based on nation? Seems a bit too obvious to me. I don't really find it suspicious that some have unique countries since certain countries would be more influential in politics than others, so Jivvi probably chose more from certain countries? I guess it was a bit weird that the first two deaths are British but that's probably a coincidence.
As for suspicions:
- Comp: To be perfectly honest, I was spectating the last game he played and I read him wrong 100%. I was almost certain he's mafia but he ended up town. I'm inclined to think he's town this game but I'm really not sure.
- Notty/Iggish: I know HK mentioned that they have different writing styles that makes one more calm than the other, but I feel like it's just how they play mafia, not really indicating their alignment in this case. I didn't read the discussion in depth though, will have to revisit it. Could be like how Inffy said they're both town though.
- webpaige: I haven't seen her post much after Inffy became active, but then again, neither have I. (Holidays + Christmas events, but I'm back now wooo) Now that we know she didn't silence Inffy I'm less suspicious of her, but I still have a weird vibe. Unsure about her alignment right now.
- Inffy: Probs town, though I found it a bit weird that he said he had nothing to contribute in the beginning and decided staying silent for a few pages was a good idea, but then again he also decided to rhyme all his posts one day a few games ago. But hey he's active now and 20 posts appeared out of thin air while I took a nap.
- So far it seems like Oak (after his initial few posts), Weak, and Jolt haven't posted much, just going off the top of my head.
I kind of skimmed Iggish's argument about countries but I highly doubt alignment would be based on nation? Seems a bit too obvious to me. I don't really find it suspicious that some have unique countries since certain countries would be more influential in politics than others, so Jivvi probably chose more from certain countries? I guess it was a bit weird that the first two deaths are British but that's probably a coincidence.
As for suspicions:
- Comp: To be perfectly honest, I was spectating the last game he played and I read him wrong 100%. I was almost certain he's mafia but he ended up town. I'm inclined to think he's town this game but I'm really not sure.
- Notty/Iggish: I know HK mentioned that they have different writing styles that makes one more calm than the other, but I feel like it's just how they play mafia, not really indicating their alignment in this case. I didn't read the discussion in depth though, will have to revisit it. Could be like how Inffy said they're both town though.
- webpaige: I haven't seen her post much after Inffy became active, but then again, neither have I. (Holidays + Christmas events, but I'm back now wooo) Now that we know she didn't silence Inffy I'm less suspicious of her, but I still have a weird vibe. Unsure about her alignment right now.
- Inffy: Probs town, though I found it a bit weird that he said he had nothing to contribute in the beginning and decided staying silent for a few pages was a good idea, but then again he also decided to rhyme all his posts one day a few games ago. But hey he's active now and 20 posts appeared out of thin air while I took a nap.
- So far it seems like Oak (after his initial few posts), Weak, and Jolt haven't posted much, just going off the top of my head.
Being reactive doesn't mean that I'm taking a lead or scumhunting. Your accusation came out of nowhere and had little justification, that's why I became suspicious.
No, the weird posts were when you were accusing me with weird justification.
I mean, you say I pulled the same shit last game but... I didn't. Last game I basically had an agenda against TWG where I would snap at any possibility to get him lynched and so benefit the mafia. You also said that I was leading a lynch wagon and being very vocal to lynch people. Well no, I wasn't. You then say that my argument is flawed because Ireland is more important then Australia in your opinion which I don't think is relevant at all. It just seems pretty sketchy and erratic.
For me, just comes off as pretty sensitive about being Canadian. You say you made yourself an easy target so therefore it's unlikely you're mafia because why would I mafia do that. However, you then urge people to try to lynch out of the opposite pool from which you're in. This could be just a coincidence as well but IIRC just after I said "there's almost definitely a Canadian in the game" or something you happen to reveal yourself as Canadian. As I said, this could be a coincidence or it could be you taking advantage of something I said so you could maybe justify your country.
I'm not where you got the idea that I was starting a lynch train and actively scumhunting (which I wasn't). In my eyes it's easily possible that you saw me calling one or two people out and kind of took that as a threat or wanted me lynched. The only explanation I can think of for you thinking this would be if you were very conscious of keeping a low profile and not being called suspicious. This could also explain why you got quite defensive the second someone put suspicion on you and you used the Canada excuse to try and evade that suspicion.
You're justification for holding back also makes no sense. You were waiting to counterclaim someone when they claimed Trudeau but we weren't near to claiming names yet. If I had to guess you held back because you were afraid someone else would be doing that to you and when no other Canadians came forward, you decided to take the risk and come out towards the end.
It just all seems a bit fishy to me.
Maybe I'm just being cynical but oh well, the possibility can't be ruled out. It would make sense for the autocrat or a mafia to try and do something like this, to hide in plain sight.
Been reading but had lots to do so I can't share much yet but I will when I get time
If mafia is like communists then I could see Comrade Jeb Bush being a thing in this game, which means if the claps are from Jeb, it could be some sort of mafia role like arsonist? That's all I have that I can share without looking into deeper analysis stuff (other than that Never Trust Inffy always works)
Gonna point this out since I've seen this said twice now and forgot to mention it before, but Rune actually claimed Canadian before you mentioned Canada, but you didn't see him say it, so he said it again after you talked about Canada.
All of those are from the same page (5).
So you were bandwagoning off of oog, rather than TWG?
Okay but surely the fact that I am now speaking means that I didn't have this intention...?
As I said, to generate discussion, and it worked (at least partially).
Well if I was trolling, I'm obviously not anymore, so I'm no longer detrimental. Sounds like an excuse to keep your vote on me to me!!
I mean to be fair your posts are extremely disjointed in my opinion. You randomly start new topics/thoughts in the same paragraph and it isn't very coherent to my brain, and I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say a lot of the time. I'm not sure if this is indicative of your alignment but I've never noticed you like this before. Maybe you're struggling to remain coherent and linear in your thought process because you have a secret objective clouding your thoughts??
But where does he take the lead, like you said he did?
But Iggish wasn't being extremely vocal about who we should lynch, was he? I mean after you've said that, he and Notty have been debating quite a bit, but when you said this he hadn't even voted anyone or said anyone was probably Mafia or anything, so why did you talk about this as if he's doing it this game as well?
In fact, reading this again, this doesn't make sense does it? You're saying that, he's acting the same as last game, when he as mafia, on purpose, so that he can not be seen as suspicious and can win when town wins. Why would acting like he acted when he was Mafia make him less suspicious?
Also, you still have yet to answer my question, unless you already answered and I just forgot (the first quote is my question, the second quote is what the question stems from):
Looking back, I also find your reason for not voting Iggish a bit weird.
You say the reason you didn't vote him was because you could see where I was coming from when I said he was acting "a tad" different last game, but you only seem to agree with this (since you only say this) after I said it. Before that, you seemed pretty sure that Iggish was acting very similar to last game and even used that as the reason for saying he was the most suspicious.
So why didn't you vote for him back then, before I said that Iggish was acting differently? And if you already thought that he was acting a bit differently yourself, then why didn't you say so before?
Also, the way you defend your lack of voting by comparing yourself to me, basically saying "Inf didn't do that, and neither did I" also seems weird to me. Like maybe your reason for not voting is because you're trying to fit in, and that leaked out a bit in your response here.
Also is it just me or has rune suddenly decided to be nice to Iggish now that the heat is off him?
Like, where did this apology even come from? It seems so out of the blue to me. Kinda reminds me of a point Ender made previously:
Although rune did say that he forgot the game existed at the start, and it makes sense that he'd become active only when someone started to appear suspicious to him, so I could totally see why this pattern that Ender described might emerge from a townie, but his apology to Iggish just seems to come out of nowhere, like a step back now that Notty has also stepped back.
Also, one last question for you Rune, about something I noticed when I went back to analyze your posts:
Why, "if that's the case" (I'm assuming you're referring to Jolt being Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn), does that suggest to you that "there is likely one mafia in each of the countries with many people in them"? I just can't follow this line of thought.
...Unless you did see it, and that's why you specifically mentioned Canada, as a way to seem like, although you missed rune's claim, you were on the ball about the nature of the setup and helpful to town???!11//
okay so
i am jeb as i already said, yes, i am 3rd party, and no, my win condition isn't exactly tied to the claps, at least not directly
basically trump needs to die in order for me to win
now this clapping thing came as a surprise to me at first because jivvi didn't exactly mention it to me in the beginning, i just received one singular clap at the beginning of the day
as the day progressed, however, other people said it in the thread after i asked around about it, and would you look at that, after some time i received another message from jivvi, saying something along the lines of "the sustained applause has given you increased power to ward off trump's attacks" and explaining that i now had a bulletproof vest
so my working theory is that the more you clap, the more abilities i gain
why is this good for you? well, when you think of the autocrat, who is the most likely western politician to have been awarded that particular role? that's right, i too think it could be trump
so
you help me get stronger by clapping and i avert your loss by killing trump if i get an ability that helps me do that
i am jeb as i already said, yes, i am 3rd party, and no, my win condition isn't exactly tied to the claps, at least not directly
basically trump needs to die in order for me to win
now this clapping thing came as a surprise to me at first because jivvi didn't exactly mention it to me in the beginning, i just received one singular clap at the beginning of the day
as the day progressed, however, other people said it in the thread after i asked around about it, and would you look at that, after some time i received another message from jivvi, saying something along the lines of "the sustained applause has given you increased power to ward off trump's attacks" and explaining that i now had a bulletproof vest
so my working theory is that the more you clap, the more abilities i gain
why is this good for you? well, when you think of the autocrat, who is the most likely western politician to have been awarded that particular role? that's right, i too think it could be trump
so
you help me get stronger by clapping and i avert your loss by killing trump if i get an ability that helps me do that
Alright so to play along, if Trump does die do you instantly win or is there more? What happens when you win(assuming the game goes on), will you be removed for winning or keep playing?
Well I would suggest we all clap and you promise to attempt to help the town win once you've reached your win condition
How does this generate discussion? All you did was derail the thread with people hypothesising about a censor, nothing of value was gained.It's weirdly reminiscent of when Jolterino posted that dumb poem to throw people off when Notty was bandwagoning him, but there was no focus on you; so unless the intended discussion was your lynching or somehow the bandwagon of someone else for no real reason other than your lies then...
well the point is it was dumb even if that was your intention.
Also if you were trolling, you certainly still are. Besides, why do I need an "excuse" to keep my vote on you? Seems again you're using buzzwords to force suspicion onto me, rather than using actual evidence; which isn't a very town friendly tactic, no?
to quickly answer first point, since when does agreeing with someone enough to influence your vote = bandwagon? Besides it was more to apply pressure to you to see what you would do. I honestly wish more people would have done then you would be confirmed scum as soon as you broke and jumped out of this shit charade.
...And to the epitome of dumb questions. No, ofc it doesn't.
Firstly just wanna point out your original post was a shittily made excuse for why breaking this whole act somehow proves you can't be scum. This is a stupidly bold claim for a townie, especially when their argument is so thin. Honestly it seems like you tried to sweep the whole "why" thing under the rug with your massive walls of text.
But the reason why you could have had that intention was either you realised it was dumb and changed your mind, or the more likely thing. You wanted to do something SO stupidly suspicious people would pass it off as not scummy as no mafia or 3p regardless of how much experience they had would want to draw that much attention to themselves without any reason for people to believe their innocence. People seem to have forgotten about the whole thing because, I assume, they've just passed it off as a dumb inf thing...
but anyway
I IMPLORE EVERYONE TO ACTUALLY TAKE A SECOND TO LOOK AT INF FROM THE START OF THE GAME UP UNTIL NOW, I KNOW THEY'RE LONG AND SCARY BUT READ HIS POSTS AND CONSIDER THIS WHOLE "STRATEGY" HE CAME UP WITH AT THE START OF THE GAME. IMO HE IS REALLY SCUMMY RN, AND HE SEEMS TO BE ESCAPING THE SPOTLIGHT IN FAVOUR OF DUMB THINGS
THANKS, AQUA X
Also in regards to the whole "c-word" thing, Oog seems to be repeating it over and over and trying to make it seem like more of a joke than a potential thing, pulling away attention from the severity it could possess. I can't remember how it started so if someone could fill me in that'd be great.
OTHERWISE WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT WHETHER OOG HAS A WIN CONDITION BASED ON HOW MANY TIMES HE OR OTHERS TYPE THE C-WORD
:EYES:
P.S
ComputerGuy_ sorry for double post please don't ban me x
OTHERWISE WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT WHETHER OOG HAS A WIN CONDITION BASED ON HOW MANY TIMES HE OR OTHERS TYPE THE C-WORD
:EYES:
P.S
ComputerGuy_ sorry for double post please don't ban me x
Yeah Oog gee
I mean he was just not talking for a while it's hardly that much of scum move. He probably stopped it since it's Inf and he wanted to spam the thread again. I actually town-read Inf so yeah no I don't think he's scummy.
