Yes, the Vintage Staff Hat. Now 20% off with the Voucher.Does the voucher give you discount rates on staff application merchandise?
Vintage Staff Hat - Level 9001 Hat.
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Yes, the Vintage Staff Hat. Now 20% off with the Voucher.Does the voucher give you discount rates on staff application merchandise?
A change in name to something more easily understood. If I asked a 5 year old what a backer/voucher is and what a reference is, chances are they'll know backer/voucher more often than reference.To me, it seems you are contradicting yourself by saying that 'Not all people here are fluent in English' and that they may misunderstand, but how would changing the name fix that? I don't think it should be changed; rather something new introduced like /reference or just a change in format to help people who may get confused.
How exactly does it cause confusion?Now I'm thinking it should just stay the way it is.
Changing it will just cause confusion, not just to those who already know what a reference is, but quite possibly even to those who don't.
It may just help if we keep it as "Reference".
Chances are that they are 5, and wont know what any of them are. Being realistic leads to the answer, if a 12 year old was to join, most people think that 'voucher' is something you'd use in a shop. Backer would be something they'd not understand, reference is the only 'realistic' term that people use.A change in name to something more easily understood. If I asked a 5 year old what a backer/voucher is and what a reference is, chances are they'll know backer/voucher more often than reference.
How exactly does it cause confusion?
If it's so understood, why do so many applicants not know what it means?Chances are that they are 5, and wont know what any of them are. Being realistic leads to the answer, if a 12 year old was to join, most people think that 'voucher' is something you'd use in a shop. Backer would be something they'd not understand, reference is the only 'realistic' term that people use.
For example, your school head an give you a reference to a college so you can apply with a reference; which is infact, very relate-able to this community. User asks for reference, gets reference, applies.
I never said it was so understood, just that more people know what that means then the other 2 that were suggested. Users may not have learnt what a 'reference' is due to being too young and not learning about it during school when they are taught about jobs, etc. That is something that we cannot help; unless a format was changed and it specifically said what a reference is and how to get one. If they continue to apply even when that is there, then It would end up being their own fault.If it's so understood, why do so many applicants not know what it means?
Backer and voucher aren't the only options. There are others as well (supporting staff).I never said it was so understood, just that more people know what that means then the other 2 that were suggested. Users may not have learnt what a 'reference' is due to being too young and not learning about it during school when they are taught about jobs, etc. That is something that we cannot help; unless a format was changed and it specifically said what a reference is and how to get one. If they continue to apply even when that is there, then It would end up being their own fault.
I quote this.I guess I'm really late to this, but I'll add my input either way since it's still a fresh topic.
Arguments have been brought up supporting the name change saying basically that we can lower confusion by making it something more well known. The staff that Blocktopia wants and needs probably will not be found in people that can not understand our application process or even our application terms, which currently mirror the real world. If people applying do not understand and get denied instantly, they can go on said server/send a PM to a staff member to find out what happened and how they can fix it.
Changing a name that has most likely been around longer than 95% of the community is going to take a while to catch on, and still not all people will use it, especially returning members, such as, for example, Jaekza. It seems like a lot of needless effort just to do something that is meant to be helpful, but can cause equal or more confusion for players.
So I guess you could say I -1 this
You keep saying it might confuse. I don't see how at all. Please explain.Anyway you ask the question someone is going to get confused.Keep it how it is you might just confuse people more if you change it now.
It's hardly fair to say that because they misunderstood reference that they aren't staff material, as I'm sure you're talking of a nice portion of staff. Or am I not good for staff? As I misunderstood it as well. Along with some others, and probably other staff.I guess I'm really late to this, but I'll add my input either way since it's still a fresh topic.
Arguments have been brought up supporting the name change saying basically that we can lower confusion by making it something more well known. The staff that Blocktopia wants and needs probably will not be found in people that can not understand our application process or even our application terms, which currently mirror the real world. If people applying do not understand and get denied instantly, they can go on said server/send a PM to a staff member to find out what happened and how they can fix it.
Changing a name that has most likely been around longer than 95% of the community is going to take a while to catch on, and still not all people will use it, especially returning members, such as, for example, Jaekza. It seems like a lot of needless effort just to do something that is meant to be helpful, but can cause equal or more confusion for players.
So I guess you could say I -1 this
Better worded then how I put it---Basically, what I'm getting from this, is if the person who makes an application doesn't know what reference is, or gets a different meaning from it, should take his/her time to look up the definition, or at least ask one of the staff. If they're applying to put their own effort into helping the server, they should put effort into their staff application, too.
That's how we want players to feel. As staff, we don't want to come off as scary power-abusing command spammers who ban anyone who puts a foot out of line. We want to be known as friendly figures of authority who are supportive of applications. I rarely give out -1s unless the application is of absolutely terrible quality.a backer, is a friend watching out for you
Of course we, as staff, should be friendly. The point I was getting at however, is that backer is not that great of a word to replace the word "reference." If you think of a backer as someone who watches your back, you could think of that person as perhaps a side-kick or person who watches for danger to protect you, like in a movie or in real life.That's how we want players to feel. As staff, we don't want to come off as scary people who ban anyone who puts a foot out of line. We want to be known as friendly figures of authority who are supportive of applications. I rarely give out -1s unless the application is of absolutely terrible quality.
Backer is a good replacement for Staff, rather than Reference.That's how we want players to feel. As staff, we don't want to come off as scary power-abusing command spammers who ban anyone who puts a foot out of line. We want to be known as friendly figures of authority who are supportive of applications. I rarely give out -1s unless the application is of absolutely terrible quality.
What is there not to understand about reference? Its commonly used word that everyone should know the meaning to. Like Duffie said you can look the word up in a dictionary if you really have no clue what it means.So I see no reason to change the word plus this arguing is getting us nowhere.NogTrog
Being used for a long time is a horrible reason to keep it. I told you why to change it: receive confusion.
Also, a majority of people who are applying for staff haven't applied for a real-life job.
Look at a third of the apps. Tell me more about how everyone seems to understand it.What is there not to understand about reference? Its commonly used word that everyone should know the meaning to. Like Duffie said you can look the word up in a dictionary if you really have no clue what it means.So I see no reason to change the word plus this arguing is getting us nowhere.
I have looked before but why do you think a change of the name will help anything?Look at a third of the apps. Tell me more about how everyone seems to understand it.
1. Players just don't know what "reference" means.I have looked before but why do you think a change of the name will help anything?