You have no fucking idea how tempting it was.
Let me tell you a story. When I was 13 and Bebo was still in its hype I made a video of me and my best friend at the time dancing to Whitney Houstons "I wanna dance with somebody" AT THE TIME I thought I was the hot shit. So I uploaded it and in those days there was a way that if you fucked up you couldn't take down the video.
So I had an onslaught of people bullying me and making fun of me and IRL disliking my video.
I look back on it now and I think what an idiot I was. It was cringworthy but maybe thats because I'm now 22 and I would like to believe I've matured.
But people have a right to express their opinions. Cruelly or otherwise. You can't take that away from people sadly and although my two cents is that I can't stand that video. Ladies I've been in your position and the only way to deal with it is with grace and maturity. I stood my ground and it all died down. No-one remembers it now. As no-one will remember this incident in about an hours time.
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(i don't know what happened to the quotes and was unable to fix it, just try to ignore it eh)
Answers to Mikey’s post are in the quote.
I realize the dislike rampage probably happened without really thinking, and I feel bad for showing it to the “public”, partly because I consider you a good friend- but it was just the most recent example. I’m not going to remove it though. You & toilet screwed up, and apologized. That’s it. You apologized and learned from your mistakes, if people still look down on you that’s just silly, because it’s really sad if someone can’t make mistakes anymore. We all make mistakes, and I’ve made way more than the average Blocktopia user on here. I think most people understand what happened, and won’t look at you different for it. If they do, well then that’s just who they are.
Although I originally thought this was a good idea when I saw your post, after a lot of thinking about it I feel like it wouldn’t really solve anything. People would still be able to dislike random posts of other people, or dislike threads that don’t have dislikes disabled, etc. Might be a solution in very few cases, but I feel like it just wouldn’t be enough.
Answers to Mikey’s post are in the quote.
Of course, the person who dislikes is the person looking silly- But that doesn’t change anything to the fact that the receiver of this negative rating feels upset or even bullied (maybe not justified, but they might still feel like that). And for a lot of people, it’s also a permanent sign of “this user fucked up somehow” on their profile. A few people (I think most of the active people on the forums) might think “ah, that user must’ve made a mistake, but hopefully they learned and it won’t happen again”. Most people, the quiet ones, could be more like “20 dislikes holy shit, this guy must be an asshole or something”.
I agree, that thread mostly had no reason to receive dislikes, in my opinion. I see Mikey has a reasonable explanation, but I'm willing to think that the rest (or some of them) were just bandwagon dislikes for absolutely no reason. I mean, seriously? Why can't the community just be friendly to everyone?
Looking through this thread and reading every single post, I can personally connect to some of them.
I find myself to be an extremely sensitive person and when I am negatively criticised it really hurts my feelings, but it truly depends on the situation- if it is strictly for constructive criticism in which they explain why they disliked it and how you could improve then I really would not mind it; I would actually be appreciative and thankful. But if the dislike button is being abused just to sheerly target a victim for reasons unknown, that's where Iwould draw the line- it's immature, rude, and distasteful.
I, myself and probably others do not appreciate it as much as those who have done it and gained literally nothing out of it but the moment of little satisfaction. It's really and truly sad that people aren't mature enough to handle something as simple as a fucking button, so why even have it? It's especially sad when people gang up with others to make them seem more superior when really they're contributing to the situation itself.. No one has been benefiting from it lately as far from what I can tell, and it supports no real reason behind it, to me its purpose only serves unwanted hate. Maybe hopefully this thread will open up some minds and talk some common sense into them.
Also, sorry if I come off harsh-- I just find this really important to say. Every opinion matters, right? c:
I find myself to be an extremely sensitive person and when I am negatively criticised it really hurts my feelings, but it truly depends on the situation- if it is strictly for constructive criticism in which they explain why they disliked it and how you could improve then I really would not mind it; I would actually be appreciative and thankful. But if the dislike button is being abused just to sheerly target a victim for reasons unknown, that's where I
I, myself and probably others do not appreciate it as much as those who have done it and gained literally nothing out of it but the moment of little satisfaction. It's really and truly sad that people aren't mature enough to handle something as simple as a fucking button, so why even have it? It's especially sad when people gang up with others to make them seem more superior when really they're contributing to the situation itself.. No one has been benefiting from it lately as far from what I can tell, and it supports no real reason behind it, to me its purpose only serves unwanted hate. Maybe hopefully this thread will open up some minds and talk some common sense into them.
Also, sorry if I come off harsh-- I just find this really important to say. Every opinion matters, right? c:
This is more the type of rating I'm responding to, and probably the thread too.
Sploorky , we're not wanting it removed because of people who actually use it properly. It's more of a "Minority ruining it for the majority" situation. I'm not going to tell you how to do your job as an Admin, but the community is speaking, and you can't just respond. I say this because the last time the high staff only responded to the argument, nothing got done and that's why this thread happened. There are people in this thread that have thought of solutions to the problem that don't involve removing the rating, including myself.
On that note, we all ought to be looking at the options we have right now and thinking of a good solution to this issue. And yes, it's an issue. It wouldn't be if the threads weren't made. Grab a chair and get in the thinking circle everyone!
I hate assholes who dislike stuff just because they don't agree. Having nothing but DISLIKES on a post can be very discouraging to people and can make unspoken angers against eachother. I know personally I don't like certain people because they way they rate. But after all it's just a rating and a pixel. Why should you care what someone has to say about you over the internet. Meh semi-optimism here
Which has been addressed by me, malcovent, and gmk in that any form of negative feedback is going to either bounce off you, or leave a sour taste in your mouth. I can not simply say much besides "move on", but it's an important life lesson, and something that should be remembered in the community too. People aren't always going to like you or the things you do. I have no intention of removing that right to dislike, and even if we removed the dislike rating, what will stop people from going at each other verbally? If someone wants to offend, they're going to offend.bram13 said:
When did I mention the people who use it properly? I called out the people who use it improperly and get into why it is so exceedingly dumb to treat the dislike button as your own little "fuck you" gun to shoot at people from a safe distance. Ultimately, we can't go around and review every dislike given to see if it was fair. If someone feels bullied or insulted by a wave of dislikes they are getting, they are free to come to Baker and myself to speak about it. However, in my half year as admin, I can count the amount of times people have complained about a dislike rating on one hand. Which really does not convince me that the issue is as huge as people make of it, the only noteworthy instance I can recollect is today/last night(my time).Awwwyea said:
In the last thread for this, Malcovent responded with that he would rather deal with the people abusing it for the wrong reasons than take the rating away entirely. I echo those thoughts. I can not help if people do not PM me. If you do PM me(or Baker, whoever you would like), we will review your complain, but I can not promise we will bring down the mighty hammer of justice. Because remember people: What you view as improper does not always mean what WE view as improper.
TL;DR? PM Baker or myself if you feel abused by a string of dislikes from the same people. We can work from there.
Just throwing in this little point. Most ratings but especially dislikes normally chain. Someone thinks oh [Insert Name Here] rated the post dislike, then it must be okay for me to do it.
I fail to see why we even have a "dislike" rating, it's cons are more then it's pros and it just doesn't seem like a good thing to have for the "social media" thing this forums seems to have and I think if we're going to have so many people ab/misuse it that it should be removed with all due haste. so I just fail to understand where the admins are seeing this mysterious good dislike rating, All i've seen come out of the dislike rating is tears, anger and upsetness.
At least if the person posts to offend the person, they end up looking like the dick they are instead of hiding in the shadows of the internet and disliking stuff just cause someone else disliked their stuff or etc.
tl;dr Dislike has more problems than it's worth and at least if someone posts something rude about the video, everyone knows his reasons on why he dislikes instead of just "cause I wanted to."
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At least if the person posts to offend the person, they end up looking like the dick they are instead of hiding in the shadows of the internet and disliking stuff just cause someone else disliked their stuff or etc.
tl;dr Dislike has more problems than it's worth and at least if someone posts something rude about the video, everyone knows his reasons on why he dislikes instead of just "cause I wanted to."
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Going to stick my two cents worth in here.
Honestly, I agree with Mikey; however I don't see the point in keeping the rating here? Sure, like Malcovent said things may turn ugly and result to posts being made but I don't think people realize that if people are getting that fucked off about a dislike, then they are going to say something anyway, or at least start to dislike them which may in time turn into something ugly.
If you think about it, with the rating removed the only way to dislike a post is by stating, in a calm and settling manner why you dislike it. Don't be all like "Oh why are you moaning about this or that? Don't like it then don't fucking play it" - It'll just make you look like a dick and that'll cause an argument, simply ignoring it or giving some peaceful criticisms is much easier, and is a far better and maturer way to deal with things.
And at the end of the day, if a user does go on to post insulting and malicious things, they'll get banned and that'll be the end of that. What is the point of keeping a rating that nobody seems to appreciate or like if there are far better solutions available?
Honestly, I agree with Mikey; however I don't see the point in keeping the rating here? Sure, like Malcovent said things may turn ugly and result to posts being made but I don't think people realize that if people are getting that fucked off about a dislike, then they are going to say something anyway, or at least start to dislike them which may in time turn into something ugly.
If you think about it, with the rating removed the only way to dislike a post is by stating, in a calm and settling manner why you dislike it. Don't be all like "Oh why are you moaning about this or that? Don't like it then don't fucking play it" - It'll just make you look like a dick and that'll cause an argument, simply ignoring it or giving some peaceful criticisms is much easier, and is a far better and maturer way to deal with things.
And at the end of the day, if a user does go on to post insulting and malicious things, they'll get banned and that'll be the end of that. What is the point of keeping a rating that nobody seems to appreciate or like if there are far better solutions available?
I don't also like the idea to remove a rating because the community is too immature to handle it. We should not be supporting immaturity rather than trying to teach people how to be more mature.
It's likwe're giving up, "since our community is immature, let us just remove things to their silly unnecessary wants."
It's likwe're giving up, "since our community is immature, let us just remove things to their silly unnecessary wants."
The red highlighted points are what I want to focus on here.
- I agree that it's best to speak to the other person if you have issues with them instead of becoming passive-aggressive with other tools at your disposal (dislike button). But what Sploorky is saying is not really as straight-forward as you may think. People react in different ways -- they may choose to confront the person to achieve a mutual understanding with them, or they may attack that person with negative comments and what-not. And there goes the circle of life.
- This may be contradictory, but I think it's best to go at each other verbally than to use the dislike button and cut and run. The person receiving that dislike may wonder why they got it and may interpret it differently than what the "dislike-r" intended. An example of this just happened earlier when Mikey cleared up his reasoning for disliking Cooliorules' thread
- It shouldn't take four fingers (Hobbes) to figure out that the Dislike rating seems to cause a rift between the Community members here. As for the recent incident on how the rating was used towards someone else -- It was clear to me that that was Cyberbullying -- And something like that shouldn't be taken lightly nor should it take your other hand and a few more dislikes to convince to you that this rating is useless to use in this Community.
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This. This is like turning a blind eye on what we've been saying in this thread. Do we need to PM you about what's happening? We're already telling you like it is on this thread.
Edit: Just thinking. This is/should be a positive community... so why do we even have negative ratings in the first place?
[It may seem like I'm attacking Sploorky personally here, but I had no intention of doing so. It's just that he's the only Admin that seems to be responding on here about this issue that's up for debate. <3 ]
"And instead let's continue to have trouble being caused by a dislike rating because we are too proud to admit it's not working"
It's not gonna change. People will still give out dislikes for no reason and others will still get sad every time they get one
rawrmynameisrex sorry for the confusion. I mean on a more personal basis. Neither lovedaice or toiletprincess have PM'd me about the wave of dislikes they got, so how can I assume that it affects them? Maybe they don't care in the slightest what ratings they receive. I understand from this thread that people are A. getting others disliking every post of theirs, or B. getting a lot of dislikes on one post. While I'm going to wager that B is usually caused by a valid reason("""usually"""), A is very likely personal bias/arguable cyber-bullying. However, I do not pay attention which individual users give ratings to others, and I'm usually not going to spot it out unless someone comes up to me, says "Hey, this person seems to have a vendetta against me", and lets me work from there. The only specific occurrence of outcome A happening that I can recollect is what happened earlier, and both toiletprincess and cooliorules have apologized for it.
I would prefer to work from specific complaints, not a general "people are unhappy", but I do not know almost anyone who is unhappy due to it, besides those instances!
And yes, I will make a PSA about this situation in the meeting.
I would prefer to work from specific complaints, not a general "people are unhappy", but I do not know almost anyone who is unhappy due to it, besides those instances!
And yes, I will make a PSA about this situation in the meeting.
Yay, that's kind of what I was pushing for both the first time this happened and my first post on this thread.
Also, I'm really trying to understand what my second post was saying to you Sploorky, and I have no idea so I apologize.
It's funny how one simple forum rating separates the mature and the immature from the community.
Just keep this in mind: Someone giving a post the 'dislike' rating does not define who the poster is as a person in any way, shape, or form as much as it does to the individual that gave the rating. If you're disliking a post, then it means you do not like the content that the original poster has posted. Simple as that. There shouldn't be any hard feelings about giving or receiving a rating, and if you get upset over just that, then I would suggest to go outside, go take a walk, and get some fresh air.
Just keep this in mind: Someone giving a post the 'dislike' rating does not define who the poster is as a person in any way, shape, or form as much as it does to the individual that gave the rating. If you're disliking a post, then it means you do not like the content that the original poster has posted. Simple as that. There shouldn't be any hard feelings about giving or receiving a rating, and if you get upset over just that, then I would suggest to go outside, go take a walk, and get some fresh air.
What I've also failed to see in this thread is a reason on how the dislike is even a good thing and I'd say if someone can give me a good one other than "people need to act more mature and learn how to take a dislike." cause I personally find that one a pretty weak reason tbh. People play video games especially MMOs to escape their real life problems not listen to people tell them to grow up.
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Focus on the green highlight, if you will.
I believe that the fact this example is being debated in a thread viewed by hundreds is ridiculous. If you have a problem with someone, it's generally best to resolve said problem as privately as possible.
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cooliorules Perhaps you would be inspired by someone who has been in a similar situation to you.
Justing Bieber's hit single "Baby" has 3,755,921 dislikes, yet he never quit producing music. Look where he is now. He could retire in his twenties! In my opinion, you shouldn't leave. You shouldn't be forced out of a community because of six people. You should instead shrug off the dislikes and move on. Learn from your mistakes. If we all move on this could be over and done with as soon as possible.
"We're already telling you like it is on this thread."
I believe that the fact this example is being debated in a thread viewed by hundreds is ridiculous. If you have a problem with someone, it's generally best to resolve said problem as privately as possible.
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The Internet is a means of expressing ourselves. There are hundreds of millions of people expressing themselves on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and any other website that allows users to interact and post content. It's a thing we humans feel the need to do. The dislike button is a way of expressing ourselves. It has been abused (quote sploorky) less than 5 times in 6 months, and this is the worst example in my opinion.
cooliorules Perhaps you would be inspired by someone who has been in a similar situation to you.
Justing Bieber's hit single "Baby" has 3,755,921 dislikes, yet he never quit producing music. Look where he is now. He could retire in his twenties! In my opinion, you shouldn't leave. You shouldn't be forced out of a community because of six people. You should instead shrug off the dislikes and move on. Learn from your mistakes. If we all move on this could be over and done with as soon as possible.
If this actually makes the immature people leave over something like this, then okay. At least we'll have the people that know how to use a rating properly left, and not ruining a flipping rating for everyone else.
I agree with Pikmon, I do feel the rating shouldn't be removed just because a minority of the community decided to abuse it. If someone abuses it, then the victim should try to contact a higher staff member, rather than fire back. It's pretty obvious we've come to a standstill here, and the dislike rating isn't going to be removed anytime soon. Now, rather than letting this go on any further, I suggest we just close this thread and move on with our lives.
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