About Stealing in Smp

[Wyrer]

As all of you know, griefing is not allowed on smp, and currently the most effective way to "lock" chests is to place a block over them, like so :

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However, all of you thieves out there (not me personally) may feel a little discouraged by everyone blocking their chests. So I believe I have a legal solution to this issue, pistons:

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As far as I know, this doesn't break the no griefing rule, and will make things a little easier on thieves and provide an interesting challenge for players as well.

I'd be interested to hear some feedback from players and admins, to see if this seems fair to them.

EDIT: Seems this way is breaking the greifing rule after all. I'd still be interesting in hearing some other suggestions to how chests could be accessed

 

[Iguana]

You're putting that piston and touching their property, therefore illegal.

If there's a 2x1 opening somewhere, feel free to fit the piston in that window and make a free floating structure all the way into their base to the chest you want WITHOUT touching anything belonging to them and then proceed to put the piston on the free floating structure WITHOUT your blocks touching the victim's blocks.

 

[Chillingworth]

Smart thinking Wyrer, this would be awesome if it actually was legal.

 

[Deadl0ck]

Grief = modifying another player's stuff.

This includes adding as well as subtracting.

 

[IamGreg07]

Ignoring the effect it would have on raids, people would end up thinking of ways to combat this idea, for example, hiding chests completely from sight, using blocks that can't be moved by pistons on them or leaving you no space to put a piston.

(Although I do think allowing the idea that raiders just rely on the owner forgetting to cover their chest creates a healthy raiding equalibrium, considering you also get items when you kill a person)

 

[Razinao]

Nevermind. It was considered griefing.

The idea of using a hoe to tilt dirt to make it farmland, which is a transparent block, allows you to access the chest below.

Although sadly I found out just moments later after the brainwave that it's illegal. (((

 

[Duffie]

However, all of you thieves out there (not me personally) may feel a little discouraged by everyone blocking their chests.

I am a thief, and I support chest blocking, and unable to get inside them.

It makes people think, especially when their stuff has been stolen. They'll think twice when leaving their chests unlocked next time.

And I've found several stucks of iron, gold, stone, and coal in furnaces already. :D

 

[MetalGearSolis]

Also There should be Anti-Xray blocked. I was raided from my hidden chest only found in xray (well not for me since i made it) and that person had raided, griefed, and hacked to get into peoples chests.

 

[Defiant_Blob]

Also There should be Anti-Xray blocked. I was raided from my hidden chest only found in xray (well not for me since i made it) and that person had raided, griefed, and hacked to get into peoples chests.

Not possible unless we force Spout :/

 

[MetalGearSolis]

What do you mean Blob?

 

[Defiant_Blob]

What do you mean Blob?

No plug-in can actually disable x-ray completely. The closest we get is Ore Obfuscatot, which scrambles different natural blocks in dark unexplored areas.
Only way we can take out x-ray is to force players to use a certain custom client (which even then may be bypassed).

 

[MetalGearSolis]

I saw the random ores like redstone,diamond,wood,mossycobble, and iron in a mine and clicked and it turned to stone/

 

[GmK]

Why do we even make fresh subforums if the same shit is discussed anew with the exactly same results every time we make a SMP server?

 

[EphemeralKap]

Why do we even make fresh subforums if the same shit is discussed anew with the exactly same results every time we make a SMP server?

Because.. Playerbase..

 

[rosekill]

well each timeit gets derailed into another direction which makes it even better

 

[Zepharn]

Just a question, why don't we say, like in Primordia, that chests have to be reachable. I'm not a thief, but how should someone who is a thief do his job, when everything is locked (and I haven't seen many unlocked chests so far...) People would become creative to hide their chests, and placing dirt blocks on chests is not quite...aesthetic.

 

[Shinyshark]

Just a question, why don't we say, like in Primordia, that chests have to be reachable. I'm not a thief, but how should someone who is a thief do his job, when everything is locked (and I haven't seen many unlocked chests so far...) People would become creative to hide their chests, and placing dirt blocks on chests is not quite...aesthetic.

I agree but at the same time I do realize that this will not pass.

 

[Prizyms]

well each timeit gets derailed into another direction which makes it even better

Threads shouldn't be derailed at all.

 

[boredchicka]

Just a question, why don't we say, like in Primordia, that chests have to be reachable. I'm not a thief, but how should someone who is a thief do his job, when everything is locked (and I haven't seen many unlocked chests so far...) People would become creative to hide their chests, and placing dirt blocks on chests is not quite...aesthetic.

I've thought about this as well. Put yourself in an OPs shoes for a second, it was hell. The only thing we ended up ever doing was listening to people complain about it, and try to find out if chests were legal or not. That's all we ever did. From a player standpoint it was awesome, and I loved it. There just isn't a good way to go about it.

Also, from the looks of it, I think we are trying to cut down on the amount of rules this server has.

 

[Defiant_Blob]

Just a question, why don't we say, like in Primordia, that chests have to be reachable. I'm not a thief, but how should someone who is a thief do his job, when everything is locked (and I haven't seen many unlocked chests so far...) People would become creative to hide their chests, and placing dirt blocks on chests is not quite...aesthetic.

Though it'd be great, it'd be impossible to have every chest legal. In Primordia, it was a pain to find illegal chests. And if you downloaded the map and checked around, you'd find that there were still hundreds of illegal chests that were hidden beyond reach.

 

[Shinyshark]

It's a pain to check, it was nice as a raider though.

 

[Zepharn]

Why do I get quoted so often? xD

Well, yeah, it would depend on how mature the player behave, sadly, there are still some bit egocentric ones out there, and in here. Or just some people who love their property too much.

-In a better world...~

 

[K1ngHoward]

I think it is good the way it is (block on chest means locked) plain and simple. Get too complicated and people will become confused and fall back onto this simple rule we have now and they would get raided or punished for something they did not understand.