Removal of Strength Potions.

[Rytheria]

NOTE/EDIT: When I mean removal, etc - a nerf to this potions.

As many Army of Darkness locals know, many maps have been flipped by the new 1.6 update - making Strength Potions even stronger!

Now, a lot of maps contain Strength Potions, as, they gave a slight advantage over your foes - but now, with this update - that slight advantage is turned into an enormous advantage! Many maps are turned upside down into chaos by the remaining Strength Potions, one person can take on an entire team of Survivors without losing a breath. This, my readers, is frustrating.

So here I am, wanting to do something about the Strength Potions that still remain in the maps today. I propose that we remove all Strength Potions (or make them less powerful), otherwise, many maps are unplayable and turn into a huge Brain Farm.

Sadly, I can't name all these maps that contain Strength Potions, so! I ask you to help me out and name the maps that need these pesky destructive weapons chiselled out of our gameplay!

MAPS (thanks LoveDaice):

Oasis (blaze powder in chests)

Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)


- Academy
- Ascendant (pressure plate for hunters)
- Avenguard Keep
- Canopy
- CloseQuarters
- Colloseum (nerfed)
- Colourido (aren't overly strong)
- Deadhouse_Gates (crafted)
- Divided (single potion)
- DogFight (single potion)
- Icerun (single potion)
- Narrows
- Oasis (crafted)
- Organic
- Pac-Man (kits)
- Relic
- Reverence (mixed potion effects)
- Smarqueris
- Sectors



If you agree or disagree, create a comment below telling me what you think - and hopefully, we'll get noticed.

Thank you for hearing me out.
Kingdion

 

[Love]

I can name most to all of the maps in the current rotation that have Strength in them.

Spoiler

Acadamy
Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)
AvenguardKeep, I believe
Canopy
CloseQuarters
Colloseum, though those have been nerfed hard already
Colourido, but those aren't too terrible. In my opinion.
DogFight (I think only one potion though? One or Two.)
IceRun (only one, however)
Narrows (In the kits?)
Oasis (blaze powder in chests)
Organic
Pac-Man (/kit inky)
Relic
Reverence (Paired with other potion effects)
Smarqueris
Sectors

That's the near-complete list of Maps in which there is strength, and/or where strength becomes a huge factor (In the current rotation).

On to the point of the topic. I think that, when Strength becomes a Problem, which it has, it should be dealt with accordingly.
Though the complete removal is something I don't entirely want to aim for.

Maybe making it harder to come by, yes. But not a complete removal.

 

[Rytheria]

Thanks Lovedaice! :)

I propose that we remove all Strength Potions (or make them less powerful)

I realise that it sounds like I want to remove them entirely, but, in fairness - I just want the Strength to be a minor advantage - not a brain farming tool.

 

[Terre936]

Some of the maps where it was meant to only use str I, like academy, you are still able to get str II by getting the TNT kit and blowing up glowstone. Thankfully, there's only one.

 

[asaechao]

More maps:
Divided (only 1 set of strength 2 that I know you can get legitly without use of breaking glowstone)
Oasis (blaze powder in chests)
Deadhouse_Gates (blaze powder in chests)
Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)

 

[Jivvi]

Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)

It's for hunters only; its possible for Survivors, but very expensive; requires full fire prot gear and multiple heal II splashes
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My opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't be removed altogether, just harder to obtain (str I is generally fine, also), I am someone, who, while not as skilled at PvP, is a pro-ass scavenger. While everyone else run around with standard kits, taking all the op items, I've gone my own way and come up with strength 2 potions or a diamond sword, which balances the whole situation quite neatly. An example would be Colosseum, where little lonely Scavengers with no friends and weak kits are killed quickly by bands of Hunters, it's always nice that, with a bit of work, I can come up with str II and extended regen for the rest of the round, do some decent damage, reap a decent profit, the fall to the swarm. It all depends on your playstyle, really. (OP item hoarders hate it when little scavengers kill them with cool technical items)

 

[Rytheria]

-snip-

As I said multiple times, I am not aiming to remove them/all of them! Nerfing, in my opinion would be more than necessary.

Being able to scavenger one potion that goes for a couple of minutes is okay, it's not overly powered and gives a single user the power of others. Now, in most cases - there are multiple potions scattered around the map - AND! There are kits that are given a Strength II potion.

I understand your play-style, and, why you'd like to keep them.
I suggest we limit maps to 1-2 strength potions in a difficult area to reach - therefore only people that explore and scavenge can manage to find them.

Thank you for the other perspective, as, I am a Hunter of Death - I'm a decent PvP player and it gets extremely annoying when somebody, no, many people have Strength Potions that can wipe me out with literally no battle skills, just a couple hits.

Anyway, if the people of the forum are to lazy to read this, my proposal:
- Limited 1/2 Strength potions in each map (difficult spot)

Therefore, players with scavenging skill (aka, Jivvi) can make their way and use LIMITED amounts of Strength to their advantage. Plus, players that PvP (aka, myself :3), can get wiped out if the scavengers use their potions efficiently, otherwise - are given a fair battle.

- Kingdion.

PS. Thanks Asaechao for the extra maps!

 

[SirComputer]

There must be a Bukkit plugin to make custom potion stuff. AKA, change the time on it.

 

[asaechao]

Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)

It's for hunters only; its possible for Survivors, but very expensive; requires full fire prot gear and multiple heal II splashes
~
My opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't be removed altogether, just harder to obtain (str I is generally fine, also), I am someone, who, while not as skilled at PvP, is a pro-ass scavenger. While everyone else run around with standard kits, taking all the op items, I've gone my own way and come up with strength 2 potions or a diamond sword, which balances the whole situation quite neatly. An example would be Colosseum, where little lonely Scavengers with no friends and weak kits are killed quickly by bands of Hunters, it's always nice that, with a bit of work, I can come up with str II and extended regen for the rest of the round, do some decent damage, reap a decent profit, the fall to the swarm. It all depends on your playstyle, really. (OP item hoarders hate it when little scavengers kill them with cool technical items)

For all the maps I said, I was just putting it out here, that these maps you can get strength, I wasn't saying to remove them all!

 

[Cstar]

Maybe there's a plugin to make strength how it was before 1.6

 

[Love]

Thanks asae, I added some that I were sure about. Will have to check on a couple.

Also I'll look into the plugins, Cstar. Will add an edit if found.

 

[Cstar]

Also I'll look into the plugins, Cstar. Will add an edit if found.

I just found this maybe look into it?
http://www.curse.com/bukkit-plugins/minecraft/strength-potion-fix
lovedaice

 

[Haysagar]

Also I'll look into the plugins, Cstar. Will add an edit if found.

I just found this maybe look into it?
http://www.curse.com/bukkit-plugins/minecraft/strength-potion-fix
lovedaice

That would be the wrong person to tag Cstar Baker93. This does look like a promising fix to the problem.

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

You can easy get strenght potions on sectors.

 

[Cstar]

Sorry I meant to tag baker too but I couldn't find my phone to edit it x)

 

[asaechao]

Y'Ghatan also has Strength 2 Potions in various chests through out the map.

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

On Academy and Narrows one hunter kit get iron sword with strength, and it takes like 4,5 hearts of a full iron armor guy.

And on Avanguard_keep you can get strength II in 4 mins in a chest.
On CloseQuarters you can get strenght in chests, but this isnt very op, because its a hard survivor map with much actions.

EDIT: I also think you can get strength in a survivor kit in Canopy. But isnt op.

Spoiler

Acadamy(in one hunter kit)
Aerodash
Ascendant (there's a pressure plate that gives you 5 Minutes of Strength Tier 1)
AvenguardKeep(in a chest)
Canopy(in a survivor kit, not op)
CloseQuarters(around in chests, not op)
Colloseum(many got nerfed)
Colourido(but those aren't too terrible, in my opinion)
Contaimed
Cubism(in some chests)
DogFight (I think only one potion though? One or Two.)
Deadhouse_Gates (crafted)
Divided (single potion)IceRun (only one, however)
Icerun(single potion)
Narrows (In one hunter kit)
Oasis (blaze powder in chests)
Organic
Pac-Man (/kit inky)
Relic
Reverence (Paired with other potion effects)
Smarqueris
Sectors(in many chests)
Swordbase
Y'ghaten(in chests)

Im not sure about if it is strength potions on Organic, Contaimed, Relic, Aerodash or Smarqueris.

 

[Danni122112]

I would REALLY like that plugin on the server, as it would change most, if not all, problems that there is with strength now, so I ask you, can you please reply to this with your thoughts about it Baker93?

I know you were already tagged, but if its not getting added anyways, its no need to discuss it.