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TheWeakGuy48_

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also TWG regardless of if you promised it why are you not giving me your reads anyway? why are you not trying to make your own reads, just pushing super hard on the fact I'm scum because I'm 'wrong' about my reads?
Sure thing!
Inffy - mafia
notty - likely mafia/3rd party
moog - acting strange (could sway either way)
unu - unusual(ha) behaviour
comp - light town read
hip - town read

the rest - no or little opinion
 

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Sure thing!
Inffy - mafia
notty - likely mafia/3rd party
moog - acting strange (could sway either way)
unu - unusual(ha) behaviour
comp - light town read
hip - town read

the rest - no or little opinion
so you don't even have any more mafia reads based on who voted aqua than I do? so why is it so suspicious of me to do that, bearing in mind the only mafia you have is me, so giving me the benefit of the doubt as a townie obviously I'm not gonna have myself as mafia, so why should I have more mafia reads if you don't even have more mafia reads?
 

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On top of that I don’t see why you ONLY found him suspicious of being mafia after that lynch and ignore the rest of the players
and I'm not ignoring the rest of the players, I've given my thoughts on everyone - do you disagree with me? and if so, where/why?
Here are the lists you made about reads on people (excluded those who didn't vote Aqua), before and after the lynch:

HKCaper
Nottykitten (moderate town)
TheWeakGuy48_ (teeny tiny suspicion worth basically nothing and not enough to want me to lynch over anyone else particularly)
Mooglie
hipmeow (slight town)
Omni (moderate town)
Matty (moderate town)

Comp
Rune
HKCaper - his resistance to aqua feels genuine to me, I know he's recently started trusting his vibes more and that's kind of the exact impression I got, I want to say he's probably town?
Nottykitten - I don't disagree with anything she said or did necessarily but I think she's vibing third party
TWG - scum
Moog - he's a bit quiet? but don't think that's relevant to his alignment so no opinion
hip - town
Omni - still think he's probably town but his 'slip' yesterday keeps popping up from the back of my mind and haunting me
Matty - still town, especially since his reaction to aqua calling him out felt a lot like an offended townie who was bothered that aqua thought he was just throwing the game
Comp - slightly townie, don't feel that strongly about it though, could see it go both ways
Rune - I wanna say slightly townie? his willingness to just pile onto aqua makes me say that - not sure he'd do that as mafia, I think rune would be more paranoid about how that makes him look as mafia, and either make more of an effort to make it look like a meme/give a good reason for piling on, or show a bit of resistance - but he did neither, he just piled on, which seems strange and risky to do as mafia since he would surely be aware he might be a suspect the next day. wifom but I think rune is probably town
Now if what you are saying is true, how come these lists are pretty much IDENTICAL, except for some changes like you town read Rune more after you figured he voted a townie? Why do you seem to find the argument that they voted Aqua, only important for TWG while none of the others?
 

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like, if you're truly town then you don't know my true alignment, so when reading my list of suspicions, you'll start being unsure of what I am, right?

so then you read my list and see I only have 2 anti towns

meanwhile, you yourself also only have 2 anti towns, but one of them is on me

so why would you then say 'inf's list is very obviously wrong and suspicious', when we have the same amount of scum reads? the only way that would make sense is if you think "inf didn't have the main person rooting for aqua has his mafia read but obviously that's wrong!", but that person is me, so regardless of my alignment I'm not gonna share your mafia read with me

so essentially from what I can see you have 0 reason to find me suspicious based on my reads list, yet you're acting like I'm confirmed scum, right after I say you're scum

I'm sorry but there's just no way I can see you as town
 

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so you don't even have any more mafia reads based on who voted aqua than I do? so why is it so suspicious of me to do that, bearing in mind the only mafia you have is me, so giving me the benefit of the doubt as a townie obviously I'm not gonna have myself as mafia, so why should I have more mafia reads if you don't even have more mafia reads?
I knew I wouldn't get many mafia reads off the day 0 lynch - hence why I wanted to no lynch. You promised a list based on your reads and bla bla bla, you know the rest since I have typed it out at least 3 times now.
 

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Infected_alien8_ I feel like I've adressed this a couple of times now. I'm not the same psychological weapon as you are - you promised a list of players that would be a least of SOME value to the town if Aqua flipped town. The list you provided had no value or thoughts in it based off of the lynch.
 

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Here are the lists you made about reads on people (excluded those who didn't vote Aqua), before and after the lynch:



Now if what you are saying is true, how come these lists are pretty much IDENTICAL, except for some changes like you town read Rune more after you figured he voted a townie? Why do you seem to find the argument that they voted Aqua, only important for TWG while none of the others?
why are you capitalizing the word 'IDENTICAL' and then admitting they're not identical, they've had changes made to them? that was the whole point of the lynch, to give us information. that's what it did to my list, it made me have more reads than it did before.

and I've already outlined why I have a different read for rune vs twg who both voted a townie. voting a townie in and of itself doesn't mean you're mafia. town don't know who the other town are, so of course it's easily possible townies voted him - I know for a fact I did, so why can't others have done? it's about the nature of the vote that counts - the timing, the reasons they gave, what my intuition tells me about it now that I know aqua's alignment.

twg's vote made 0 sense. he went from insisting we don't lynch aqua, to suddenly voting him 'to be fair', now saying it was because 'oh I've been there when I've wanted a lynch but people were afk so I felt bad' - I don't buy it one bit. he didn't find aqua suspicious, he didn't agree with me that it'd get us information, so why would he, as a townie, vote aqua, just because he felt bad about afkers? it makes no sense to me

on top of that, even when I first read it before aqua was lynched, it just felt so off vibe-wise, and felt like he wasn't truly genuinely concerned about the aqua lynch, he had an agenda for defending aqua - it was way too forceful for someone who supposedly doesn't know if aqua is mafia or not

and his pattern of behaviour - going from defending aqua loads, to suddenly voting him, and the vibes that go with it, and my intuition, all come together to make me think twg was defending aqua as a way to seem townie and then voted because he did actually want aqua dead all along. the fact he's using the argument of 'but I resisted yet you town-read me' further persuades me that that's what he was doing, because yesterday he was in the mindset of 'it won't be this black and white', yet now suddenly I'm scum because I think he's scum even though he resisted the lynch. it's a complete switch in mindset and I think it's because he's not saying what he truly believes, he's saying what benefits him in the moment

rune however I town read on his vote, I already gave my reasons for that in my post, if you want clarification then let me know

essentially it's not 'twg voted aqua = mafia', it's not that simple, it's the way he voted

and the way he voted was different to rune
 

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Infected_alien8_ I feel like I've adressed this a couple of times now. I'm not the same psychological weapon as you are - you promised a list of players that would be a least of SOME value to the town if Aqua flipped town. The list you provided had no value or thoughts in it based off of the lynch.
okay so why am I mafia then? why does my list being underwhelming to you make me mafia as opposed to just didn't get as much information as you'd have hoped for? why am I scum instead of town who just didn't get much from the aqua lynch as he'd hoped for?

and I disagree that the list I provided has no value or thoughts in it based off the lynch, because it very obviously has, and the fact you're ignoring that again reeks of agenda
 

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Fun fact. I know you have ;)
actually I have seen him as scum in fog's game but he was never suspected

I've seen him be suspected as town and he didn't react anything like this

now he's suspected and he's reacting crazy, and I've never seen that before

makes sense to me he's scum and being suspected for the first time
 

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I knew I wouldn't get many mafia reads off the day 0 lynch - hence why I wanted to no lynch. You promised a list based on your reads and bla bla bla, you know the rest since I have typed it out at least 3 times now.
I've come here to say that the lynch wasn't useless.

For one we now have some town reads (namely Hip/Comp), and we have a discussion for today instead of no info. Lynch went terribly but it didn't give us nothing.


Also Inf breathe
Also claim your powersInf
 

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I've come here to say that the lynch wasn't useless.

For one we now have some town reads (namely Hip/Comp), and we have a discussion for today instead of no info. Lynch went terribly but it didn't give us nothing.


Also Inf breathe
Also claim your powersInf
is everyone else on board with having notty claim by the way? I think that'd be very helpful
 

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I've come here to say that the lynch wasn't useless.

For one we now have some town reads (namely Hip/Comp), and we have a discussion for today instead of no info. Lynch went terribly but it didn't give us nothing.


Also Inf breathe
Also claim your powersInf
i would like this to happen
so notty as hip is a person he has now supported this movement, will you claim?
 

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and his pattern of behaviour - going from defending aqua loads, to suddenly voting him, and the vibes that go with it, and my intuition, all come together to make me think twg was defending aqua as a way to seem townie and then voted because he did actually want aqua dead all along. the fact he's using the argument of 'but I resisted yet you town-read me' further persuades me that that's what he was doing, because yesterday he was in the mindset of 'it won't be this black and white', yet now suddenly I'm scum because I think he's scum even though he resisted the lynch. it's a complete switch in mindset and I think it's because he's not saying what he truly believes, he's saying what benefits him in the moment
This is wrong - I never defended Aqua, I wanted to no lynch.
okay so why am I mafia then?
I've answered this before.
why does my list being underwhelming to you make me mafia as opposed to just didn't get as much information as you'd have hoped for? why am I scum instead of town who just didn't get much from the aqua lynch as he'd hoped for?
Because it was one of the premises of the Aqua lynch, that you would have big reads on players, and you obviously failed to keep that promise.
For one we now have some town reads (namely Hip/Comp), and we have a discussion for today instead of no info. Lynch went terribly but it didn't give us nothing.
Comp's read was before Aqua's lynch, when certain *ahem* players wanted to lynch comp. I'll give you that we gained reads on Hip - but is this really how we want to proceed the next days? Would you really consider a town's life, or our doctor if you want (he practically was), to be a good trade against one good read? Is this really how we're going to proceed the next days?
 

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Comp's read was before Aqua's lynch, when certain *ahem* players wanted to lynch comp. I'll give you that we gained reads on Hip - but is this really how we want to proceed the next days? Would you really consider a town's life, or our doctor if you want (he practically was), to be a good trade against one good read? Is this really how we're going to proceed the next days?
No, but it's certainly how you usually proceed with the first lynch of a game. Its risky and you have no Info, based solely on gut feelings and small reads which then make a basis for further reads. The fact you seem so sure if Inf's guiltyness and voted him instantly today means that it certainly gave a good basis for you to lynch someone on.

im still waiting on everyone to make a list of people who they suspect
Inf although he seems slightly townbecause of his chaotic reaction today + I kinda get where hes coming from but I'd be down with a lynch on him since I did suspect him yesterday and I slightly refuse to believe all 3 of me Inf and Aqua are town.
Omni since he seems like someone worth killing because he did actively want Aqua lynched and is continuing his act vs Inf now.
Shadow since he felt kinda off
Hk/Unu/Oog slight bad vibes.
 
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