Here, let me pull up my roleclaim.JKangaroo When you claimed security announcer on whatever day, didn't you say you were giving up your role as cop? But you've been investigating people? Or is it just like, someone can post a bulletin, but they can't do their action? And I thought the watcher had died, and you guys had a cop, a watcher, and a group ability that was a block. But you don't seem to have blocked anyone last night but you watched notty? I have literally zero understanding of your group as a whole ;-;
Page 15 for reference:
I'll highlight the important bits.
Hopefully that clears some things up.There's multiple ways I could go about this post, and have written different versions, but I decided to be more blunt than try to keep spinning things, since again I think the game should be ending soon.
*sigh*
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]I'm the Cop [/BCOLOR](security guard with cop abilities, theres no "role-name" Edit for clarification: I've said this before but my role is "security guard" and I don't consider that really to be a "role-name" like Employee sorta is, or Experienced Terrorist, or etc, which is what I mean by no role-name per se.").
[BCOLOR=#00ff00]Being the security announcer was supposed to be my cover story[/BCOLOR] so the cop didn't again die super early like every game and keep our group anonymous.
I was trying really hard there to town-tell guys. C'mon.
[BCOLOR=#00ff00]Our group is composed of 3 people: Wim, myself, and Mars.[/BCOLOR]
[Edit for further clarification: I am a cop. Wim is a tracker. Mars was the vigilante.]
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]Every night we also have a group action: either send a day message, watch someone, or roleblock someone.[/BCOLOR]
I took both the Watcher action (which we did Night 1) and included it as a "ghost player" and used the day message as my cover ability so that there was a "cop" still out there that no one knew about so I wouldn't get killed myself so I could still give out anonymous investigations.
I'm still the cop, I investigated Vatu last night; he came out innocent, and I'm dumb because I didn't understand why he was blue when he died today until Ltin said blue was this game's town colour, but that doesn't matter now and that investigation was useless since he's dead. ;-;
Unfortunately it seems my decently made cover-story has been blown to smithereens so hopefully the doctor can keep me safe tonight.
As to your other question:
I mean, I think when I said that it was somewhat self-explanatory.It was from me. In DoB chat. Saying that I can't send a message by my own role. What's shady about it?
It didn't sound like it came from you. It sounded like it was either Ltin writing that, or was from the BoD, which it was as you have claimed.
But it's shady because its something we werent expecting. We were expecting you to have a night message, but it seems that it didn't happen and have to go through the BoD for said message to be released. We still need to wait to try and confirm your role. You could be lying, and only telling us bits of it, or it could be the truth. We just dont know.
On top of that, you have been somewhat lying to us, haven't you?:
Recalling yesterday, we basically tried to continue the mass-claim from the previous day (when I came out as the cop, Notty the doc, etc) and we ended up lynching hipman as he claimed Employee without much proof (unlike Caff who did have confirmation from you, Tim, iirc) and ended up being Mafia. You were the only one who hadn't claimed at that point, and so we let you have a day to wait.Paraphrase of my message: "So, there's a problem with the plan from the day. I don't have the ability to send an announcement. I received nothing for my role. As in, I was not given a role. Typically I've been given my role at the start of each night, but I got nothing, and had to verify it wasn't a mistake. He wouldn't tell me why (naturally), but I think it's because I claimed amnesiac during the day. I don't know if this is permanent, but for the night at least, I'm just a vanilla townie." And then I proposed the message you saw in the night.
The next day you came out as the Amnesiac.
And unless I'm reading to much into this then you basically did not claim your actual role yesterday; instead it would be a fake role which ended up affecting your role into a "non-action" that night, if your story is to be believed.Well, here goes. I'm the Amnesiac. My ability changes every night, based on what I claim during the day.
Of course, this is all under the thought that I can't in good conscious think Ltin would use the actual name of the role (Amnesiac, if that is the actual rolename) to essentially just not give you an action that night. It would be strange and awkward with how your claimed role ability is played out.
And if this is indeed how your role goes around then I don't know why you needed/wanted to wait a day to reveal yourself when we were all claiming.
Especially since you ended up just using it to turn untargettable for the night. Waiting a day to reveal yourself then simply decide to have your ability turn you untargettable just doesn't make sense in my eyes. Yeah sure you wanted to be ridiculous with the role name but the town basically agreed to just let you wait a day since we thought you would be telling us the truth.D2 (yesterday) was my Blueberry claim. The goal was to make it as absolutely f'cking ridiculous as possible so no one would say anything (Seeing a pattern? All of my claims were made as jokes so people wouldn't pay any mind to future claims, laugh at them and forget and ignore them). The ability I was going for: You and target player cannot be targeted. The ability I got: You or target player cannot be targeted. I was between using it on myself, JK, or Wimali. I would've liked to use it on myself and one of the others, but that wasn't allowed (aw shucks) so I just used it on myself.
Additionally how come Amnesiac was your role thing that night, when on Day 0 you were able to claim, then go with another one later? (Stock Broker -> Ended up claiming stock reporter which was what you said later). The only thing I could see would be you telling Ltin that wasn't the one you were going with since you claim you can somewhat decide how your nights ability will turn out; how come that couldn't be the same with the Amnesiac claim, and then your second claim with the announcer.
There's just so much that feels confusing, and uncertain, and things behind the scenes with limitations and rules we just can't confirm that it feels like a jumbled mess.
Ontop of that, I believe it was either Ooglie or someone else who said it before, but compared to every other role, Amnesiac doesn't really fit the theming as all the other roles.
-You expect there to be security at a stock exchange.
-You expect there to be employees, investors, officials, directors of a company/the exchange itself, etc.
-Since the mafia are terrorists, you expect roles similar to exist as well.
-You expect to see a doctor/health staff, although admittedly I don't ever recall Notty really telling us her "role-name" which if I'm right/wrong hopefully that is fixed
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Your's is an outlier.
And yes, while we have seen outliers be true in past games, I'm not sure how certain I can really accept it this time around.
I want to say I would either be voting you right here and now; You or Ooglie honestly since I think out of the 6 remaining, I feel certain myself, Notty, and Wim are on the same side, with Oog, Caff, and Tim to be potential enemies, and with Caff somewhat proving herself twice now that leaves you two.
But at the same time going through the thread again, I can't help but feel like maybe my investigation of you really was true and i'm not naive?
Largely due to Ltin's death post featuring hipman:
See that? He had a godfather ability. As far as I know, the only "cop" roles we've had this game have been myself, and if you're telling the truth (or lying but half-truthing/whatever you get the picture) with your changing night abilities potentially being investigative.hipman500 (Experienced Terrorist)has been lynched.
[BCOLOR=#7f7f7f]Spoiler: Experienced Terrorist[/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=#ffff00]Godfather [/BCOLOR]w/ one-shot immunity transfer
So does that mean I'm not naive? Or was one of Mar's vigilante kills potentially also an investigative role that was town-sided and he was modified?
And if I'm not modified and the investigation of you turned out innocent does that mean you are innocent? Or does that mean you have a godfather-esq modifier?...
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...Modifiers give me a headache.
But yeah, I just don't see who else could really be bad at this point.
Worst(or is it best?) case scenario is that your third-party with an agenda/victory condition that doesn't include winning with the town.
And since a lot of the time third-parties end up counting against the town winning (and third-parties are the only ones who have had these big interesting/differing from the norm roles in recency...
...I don't really see much reason not to vote to lynch you off.
And if we're wrong we just continue down the list of suspicious/unconfirmed people and use our night abilities(e.g. tracking, etc) to help shorten it because it's basically only a matter of time until the town pieces together who's who.