Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Vatumok]

Guess I'm scum then cus I'm consistent as fuuuuuucc

I do think consistent is more scummy than it's town. Town players generally know very little and should keep thinking about who could be scum and why, adapting when it makes sense. If you are consistent on someone it doesn't feel like thinking and more like pushing a (scum) agenda.

 

[Aqua]

I do think consistent is more scummy than it's town. Town players generally know very little and should keep thinking about who could be scum and why, adapting when it makes sense. If you are consistent on someone it doesn't feel like thinking and more like pushing a (scum) agenda.

Sounds like something an inconsistent person would say

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Dunno if that inconsistency in role dms is anything to go by

i dont know but pretty sure this is pm mechanics but i will ask stranger how much we can discuss

1) I meant more that everyone (active ofc) seemed to be fine wish lynching fog and nobody came to his defense like Weak for example now.
2) Just cuz it seemed random to you doesn't mean it is as I'm not constantly posting my all thoughts.
3) Obviously, but I wanted to avoid another NL so that's why I decided Fog was a decent enough choice after townreading some people pushing him.

1) 1 other person had come to his defence (tim iirc? i dont remember exactly who but i remember pointing this out at the time), and most of the game hadnt even given an opinion on him. i find it hard to believe you didnt consider that maf were just ignoring him, instead thinking maf must be coming to defend him, bearing in mind how difficult it would have been to defend him without looking scummy themselves, because his actions (claiming sinner, claiming he made a deal, contradicting himself about what UNU said, etc etc) wouldve been difficult to paint as a townie

2) yeah i know, but still the timing was too convenient for me

3) fair enough i guess

 

[Aqua]

i dont know but pretty sure this is pm mechanics but i will ask stranger how much we can discuss

Unless Stranger has a vastly different set of rules when it comes to dm mechanics than the average host it doesn't. In a themed game it's completely fine for me to theorycraft how that theme will effect what's in your role dm.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Unless Stranger has a vastly different set of rules when it comes to dm mechanics than the average host it doesn't. In a themed game it's completely fine for me to theorycraft how that theme will effect what's in your role dm.

pretty sure what we're discussing is usually the definition of pm mechanics

 

[Aqua]

Unless Stranger has a vastly different set of rules when it comes to dm mechanics than the average host it doesn't. In a themed game it's completely fine for me to theorycraft how that theme will effect what's in your role dm.

You can't copy and paste to prove it, but you can definitely say yes or no to my questions about what's in it.

 

[Aqua]

pretty sure what we're discussing is usually the definition of pm mechanics

I've made these arguments here and else where numerous times and if it's never been an issue so I've mistaken it's on me I guess.

But since you can't provide evidence either way it's perfectly fine for me to postulate.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

and if it's never been an issue so I've mistaken it's on me I guess.

same

 

[Aqua]

I've made these arguments here and else where numerous times and if it's never been an issue so I've mistaken it's on me I guess.

But since you can't provide evidence either way it's perfectly fine for me to postulate.

Like for example, going back to phraseology if there was something completely different in what you've claimed your role is to what mine is (such as if you say your role refers to dirty sinners whereas my role refers to poor sinners) of course I can call you out on that inconsistency, especially since if you were making the role up, you wouldn't know better.

 

[Aqua]

same

if I'm*

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

Votecount 6: Holding out for a hero, idk?​

Good Skele - Unusual_Dood [L-5]
Vatumok - Good Skele, HK Caper, Infected_Alien8_ [L-3]
TheWeakGuy48_ - Vatumok, Timdood3 [L-4]

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch and 5 votes to no lynch. If nobody reaches a majority of votes by the end of the day, nobody will be lynched.

Host note: Please do NOT analyze PM mechanics.

Day 2 Deadline

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Votecount 6: Holding out for a hero, idk?​

its ok im here

 

[Aqua]

well I'm just gonna vote vat as I doubt anything else is gonna come up this day - hopefully some of the afkers come back so we don't no-lynch.

 

[Aqua]

vote vat

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

OK, I'll post quick and easy.
Saints

HKC - most likely town (believable doc claim),
Inf & Aqua - I feel like their role sorta contradicts eachother (with Aqua being cop/blocker for poor sinners and Inf being just a blocker if I understood it correctly).
Unusual - He's more or less a messenger, right? His ability is actually proven, however we do not know his alignment. There has been several mafia messengers over the past (looking at you Iggy), so it's still a possibility. Still feel like he could be town however. Unusual_Dood make a chat with me tonight!
Skele - Claimed Oracle, which is probably the easiest fakeclaim there is. Don't really see it fitting into the setup, I'm not exactly sure why every jumped off of his lynch? IMO one of the viable options today.

Poor Sinners
While I think the majority of poor sinners are town, I think it's possible that one/two might be mafia but eh it makes my brain turn into porridge so I'd rather just assume the opposite for now.

Beta - Probably town (my instinct tells me so)
Alisha - OK so I either I'm going crazy or I'm seeing a connection between Alisha & Inf (that they are mafia partners), but like I said I will just assume that all poor sinners are town for my own sanity rn. (That doesn't mean I'm not letting you out of my sights Alisha (wink))
Tim - OK from the few posts I've read from him he seems helpful & actually contributing (f.exs unlike myself, shameful self-exposition). This kinda makes me read him as town, but at the same time I'm getting flashback to that time we all trusted tim because he was so nice and helpful but he was instead a murderer who wanted us all dead, but rn I think he's town, so maybe a minor town read.
Vatu - I feel like he's been weirdly accusing me and, yes there's been some merit in that (my afk-ness), but he feels a bit sketchy (like he has ill-intentions). Out of the Poor Sinner claims I think he's the most likely to be mafia.


There's 12 players in the game which makes it possible that there's 3 or 4 mafia. If there's 4 then it's mylo today. If we include the dead poor sinners, then there's 7 Poor Sinner claims, which means that 1 or 2 should be fake. RN I think the mafia team could be: Vatu/Alisha/Inf or Vatu/Skele/Aqua, maybe even throw in Beta in a worst-case scenario. Seeing as we have a little under 6 hours left I'll make sure to come online in time to vote later on, I'd prefer if we went for Vatu/Skele, however I would also be fine with voting anyone to at least secure a lynch.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Alisha - OK so I either I'm going crazy or I'm seeing a connection between Alisha & Inf (that they are mafia partners)

can you elaborate on this

I'd prefer if we went for Vatu/Skele, however I would also be fine with voting anyone to at least secure a lynch.

out of those 2 which do you prefer and why?

 

[Vatumok]

Alisha - OK so I either I'm going crazy or I'm seeing a connection between Alisha & Inf (that they are mafia partners), but like I said I will just

Wouldn't this also mean that Aqua has to be scum as he "cleared" Alisha? I can hardly see both Aqua and Inffy being evil. That said I don't trust Alisha cuz she has been very casual in just joining lynches on me while she knows how I play. It's definitely good that you brought up agaom that one of Aqua/Inffy is likely lying. That's why I also think it's weird inffy and aqua have been willing to vote together easily today.

 

[Vatumok]

think the mafia team could be: Vatu/Skele/Aqua

Also could you explain where this is coming from?

 

[HKCaper]

Vatu/Alisha/Inf or Vatu/Skele/Aqua

eyo both of these are bs

 

[Aqua]

Wouldn't this also mean that Aqua has to be scum as he "cleared" Alisha? I can hardly see both Aqua and Inffy being evil. That said I don't trust Alisha cuz she has been very casual in just joining lynches on me while she knows how I play. It's definitely good that you brought up agaom that one of Aqua/Inffy is likely lying. That's why I also think it's weird inffy and aqua have been willing to vote together easily today.

You say you don't make random conspiracy theories yet once again this has come out of nowhere.

I haven't cleared alisha and I've made that painfully obvious. I have confirmed she is a poor sinner. This does not prove her alignment.

I would also like to say I too have suggested alisha could be trying to bus inf, especially after how they acted together day 0.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

You say you don't make random conspiracy theories yet once again this has come out of nowhere.

I haven't cleared alisha and I've made that painfully obvious. I have confirmed she is a poor sinner. This does not prove her alignment.

I would also like to say I too have suggested alisha could be trying to bus inf, especially after how they acted together day 0.

what do you mean how we acted together day 0

 

[Aqua]

what do you mean how we acted together day 0

Said it before in a more lengthy post - basically how alisha submitted to her lynch and her relationship with you towards the end of day 0. Felt like she was trying to build you up as town as she headed for her death.

If she was townie this could have been sincere, if not this could have been to assist her mafia buddy.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Said it before in a more lengthy post - basically how alisha submitted to her lynch and her relationship with you towards the end of day 0. Felt like she was trying to build you up as town as she headed for her death.

If she was townie this could have been sincere, if not this could have been to assist her mafia buddy.

ive seen her vote herself as town to secure a lynch for information i think (memory is hazy on that though)

but shes basically confirmed town anyway since realistically maf dont have poor sinners

 

[Aqua]

but shes basically confirmed town anyway since realistically maf dont have poor sinners

just as you and I are confirmed scum because mafia don't have hypnotists or can make deals with the devil!

 

[Infected_alien8_]

unless you mean how she kinda didnt seem to care about being mislynched

in which case yeah i agree that was weird, not a bus though promise