Let's Talk, Seriously.

[Jivvi]

A magical fairy whispered into my ear:

Spoiler: Fairies' Magical Message

All jokes aside what's people opinions of having different sections of the forums split on age. I like the idea, but I can see a lot of flaws, since this is a suggestion I might as well leave it here.

the problem is that you get your mature younger users and less mature older users mostly but you could just divide it into safe space and dangerous space.

 

[Enderfive]

I'll reply to parquette just this once in this thread, because there's only so many ways you can say the same thing again in reply to someone saying the same thing over and over again without paying much attention to the replies. If he would care to reply to me constructively without saying the same things in different ways or actually objectively proving me wrong, then we can discuss it further.

We already had this discussion in the thread you made. No reply agreed with you. We already had this discussion in the thread Psycho posted (before Major_Bryan deleted it). No reply agreed with you. You have not improved your arguments at all or given a new angle to look at it. All you do is say that swearing is bad and we should limit it significantly. While I respect your opinion as such, I have to note that it's an opinion that nobody else in his community shares. As for the Terms of Service supposedly saying that sexual content is banned, the only thing I found that was even remotely related was the banning of pornography. Banning certain words or significantly limiting the way they can be used, as with the "I will fuck you hard" that you keep using as an example, simply does not fall under this restriction.

As for "fuck the Jews", it's xenophobia and already banned under the Terms of Service and no one has any objections to keeping it that way. From the viewpoint of the community, the problems you speak of simply don't exist or are already accounted for, so please, either let it go or give us a new angle to view at it that we actually care about, otherwise you'll be frustrated because nobody agrees with you and we'll be frustrated because we have to say the same things over and over again in reply to you, because you keep saying the same things over and over again without any actual reaction to our replies.

 

[Jolterino]

I will clarify the "fuck the jews" comment so people stop harping on it. It was written in a Skype group as a joke and was never meant to see the light of the forums. So please stop using that as an example as it was dealt with swiftly.

 

[Malcovent]

@staff Why do controllers and server admins have forum staff privileges when we literally have a separate forum staff rank?
It was occasionally needed back in the day but times have changed and it's causing problems. Leave the forum moderation to the actual forum moderators, 'k?

Hunter I don't think it does any harm to have more forum staff coverage,It'd make more sense to deal with minor incidents from server moderators individually than to blanket remove a majority of the forum moderation.

Nillbugwtw can I advise putting some of the points agreed upon/some of your responses in a QA format in the first post? Make's it easier to avoid having the same points being raised multiple times. Also adds some closure to issues that would otherwise end up being revived throughout the thread, (basically we need points saying 'we agree on this, we agree on that', because if you wait for a unanimous consensus on the issues - you'll never get it)

 

[Jayfeather]

Real quick note, "I will fuck you hard" is an extreme misquote of a teamspeak meme about my terrible love life that I used as a throwaway response to one of parquette's swearing posts - it's not actually something that's a problem in the mainstream.
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Hunter, I can't seem to agree here. The forum and server moderation needs to be consistent and constant and making a natural divide in staff weakens both ends
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Aqua, to take a leaf out of riots book: if you split a community of so few members then you can't hold ANYTHING up. The general problem isn't age here anyways, it's worldliness and exposure. That suggestion has been brought up throughout the years and was never successful

 

[Naterger]

I will clarify the "fuck the jews" comment so people stop harping on it. It was written in a Skype group as a joke and was never meant to see the light of the forums. So please stop using that as an example as it was dealt with swiftly.

*ONCE MORE I AM SPEAKING WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF THINGS*
I believe things said and done outside of EscapeRestart should have no play in ones standing inside EscapeRestart. If you're an angel within the community and you're a troll elsewhere on the internet, so be it. As long it does not directly affect the name of EscapeRestart. A private skype group does not directly affect the communities name. Do not make being a pure-hearted keyboard warrior a requirement of the community.

 

[Enderfive]

*ONCE MORE I AM SPEAKING WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF THINGS*
I believe things said and done outside of EscapeRestart should have no play in ones standing inside EscapeRestart. If you're an angel within the community and you're a troll elsewhere on the internet, so be it. As long it does not directly affect the name of EscapeRestart. A private skype group does not directly affect the communities name. Do not make being a pure-hearted keyboard warrior a requirement of the community.

The context is that a one or two user from that Skype group used it as their signatures for a short amount of time, which I personally believe was a mistake on their part.

To be honest, we're talking about those specific incidents right now, where we should be talking about the principles in general. Clarifying examples is good and all, let's leave that at where it is now and focus on the overarching issues.

Concerning splitting the staff base into forum and server moderators even more than it is now: I think the idea by itself is fine, but it's difficult to achieve at the moment and it's also unnecessary, in my opinion. Just make sure that all staff members with forum moderation privileges can be held accountable and that their own personal biases and sensitivities don't get in the way of fair judgement, and we're good.

 

[Mastersten]

Personally I see 2 options:
1. Remove Forum Mods and let the server staff manage their own forums (they need to follow certain guidelines ofcourse) and only community admins got global editing tools.
2. Remove current privileges under community admin and let Forum mods (and community admins) handle certain forums.

and if I'm correct, #2 is partially active?

 

[Jayfeather]

Personally I see 2 options:
1. Remove Forum Mods and let the server staff manage their own forums (they need to follow certain guidelines ofcourse) and only community admins got global editing tools.
2. Remove current privileges under community admin and let Forum mods (and community admins) handle certain forums.

and if I'm correct, #2 is partially active?

Forum mods and server mods working together to moderate our boards doesn't strike me as something difficult once differences are reconciled

 

[Psycho]

The problem that I saw with Forum Mods is that they essentially became inactive over a period of time or that they just didn't see much activity within the forums that they chose to moderate to warrant any type of moderation.

From the latest Staff Roll Call, there were roughly 12 forum moderators of which only ~3 remain. That's why you see server staff (Con+) moderating the forums lately. And judging by the history of how the previous forum mods became inactive, I find it hard to justify adding additional forum mods unless they were additonally staffing a server to know that they'd be active and not bored from doing one thing.

 

[Vino]

I WOULD be moderating my designated sub-forum, if there was anything to moderate. (surprisingly well-behaved, my sub-forum)

Since I only see reports from my sub-forum, I am unable to address any reports outside of that sub-forum, and I can say for certain it's really frustrating to report a post and then have it not get addressed at all (or in the very least no explanation as to why its being kept and not removed)

Same reason I resigned. Don't need 2 people to moderate a tame subforum. If it was more global I'd be happy to do more

 

[Ronaldo]

I think it's clear that we need forum mods for all the subforums rather than just one or two. That'll solve some issues on here at the very least.

 

[Hunter]

that's what I was thinkin' earlier

 

[parquette]

I will clarify the "fuck the jews" comment so people stop harping on it. It was written in a Skype group as a joke and was never meant to see the light of the forums. So please stop using that as an example as it was dealt with swiftly.

Thank you for the clarification. I remember a couple weeks ago that it was in one of the member's signatures here (a pretty known member too). I don't want to point fingers, so I will not mention the name. However if the staff want to know who it is, I will tell them in pm.

I'll reply to parquette just this once in this thread, because there's only so many ways you can say the same thing again in reply to someone saying the same thing over and over again without paying much attention to the replies. If he would care to reply to me constructively without saying the same things in different ways or actually objectively proving me wrong, then we can discuss it further.

We already had this discussion in the thread you made. No reply agreed with you. We already had this discussion in the thread Psycho posted (before Major_Bryan deleted it). No reply agreed with you. You have not improved your arguments at all or given a new angle to look at it. All you do is say that swearing is bad and we should limit it significantly. While I respect your opinion as such, I have to note that it's an opinion that nobody else in his community shares. As for the Terms of Service supposedly saying that sexual content is banned, the only thing I found that was even remotely related was the banning of pornography. Banning certain words or significantly limiting the way they can be used, as with the "I will fuck you hard" that you keep using as an example, simply does not fall under this restriction.

As for "fuck the Jews", it's xenophobia and already banned under the Terms of Service and no one has any objections to keeping it that way. From the viewpoint of the community, the problems you speak of simply don't exist or are already accounted for, so please, either let it go or give us a new angle to view at it that we actually care about, otherwise you'll be frustrated because nobody agrees with you and we'll be frustrated because we have to say the same things over and over again in reply to you, because you keep saying the same things over and over again without any actual reaction to our replies.

My apologies. It was not my intent to annoy people by any means. I was just trying to help and say what need's to be said. My only frustration is that the members aren't kept in check enough, because a lot of things seep through without the staff knowing. I'm just trying to do what Nillbugtw suggested - bring up suggestions for us to take seriously and ask ourselves if this may help the community. I believe I have said enough for now on the matter, I leave it up entirely to the admins. Thank you all for listening :)

Real quick note, "I will fuck you hard" is an extreme misquote of a teamspeak meme about my terrible love life that I used as a throwaway response to one of parquette's swearing posts - it's not actually something that's a problem in the mainstream.
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Hunter, I can't seem to agree here. The forum and server moderation needs to be consistent and constant and making a natural divide in staff weakens both ends
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Aqua, to take a leaf out of riots book: if you split a community of so few members then you can't hold ANYTHING up. The general problem isn't age here anyways, it's worldliness and exposure. That suggestion has been brought up throughout the years and was never successful

I didn't see this until after posting the last post. I saw that sort of thing every now and then floating around the community (and actually someone brought this to my attention that a IRC contained this as well). Don't worry, I wasn't pointing fingers at your sir :)

--nill edit: merged triple post

 

[Love]

i glimpsed over most of the posts here but

the problem is that you get your mature younger users and less mature older users mostly but you could just divide it into safe space and dangerous space.

to go with this, i know a few forums i've been a part of have had a "deep end" type section of the forums, where you would need to enter a password or gather a certain amount of forum posts (in some cases just be a registered user) to access it.

i personally think we could think of adding something like this (if xenforo update allows it) to allow users to filter out some of their displeasure in a thread, post, user, etc. without negative repercussions (with guidelines, of course).

i don't know though. i can absolutely see how this could get out of hand really quickly, but as the saying goes, you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

edit: once im home and not off my ass on painkillers i'll elaborate further

 

[parquette]

Hm, I dunno. Dividing up the forums could lead to controversy among members, and maybe even aggravation. Agreed, a section just for people below 13 would be a great idea, but I'm just curious: Would that section include those who are above 13, but their opinions are considered immature by some even when there's a possibility they're right? Please don't take this is a hate post, this is just a question I have.

My concern is, wouldn't labeling them as immature be somewhat judgemental by putting them in the under 13 mark? Especially if maybe they have a point but it was misunderstood? I don't think we really should be labeling members on here according to their opinions, it may just make things harder actually. The concept is an interesting and clever idea, it would just have side effects imo.

 

[Aqua]

Hm, I dunno. Dividing up the forums could lead to controversy among members, and maybe even aggravation. Agreed, a section just for people below 13 would be a great idea, but I'm just curious: Would that section include those who are above 13, but their opinions are considered immature by some even when there's a possibility they're right? Please don't take this is a hate post, this is just a question I have.

My concern is, wouldn't labeling them as immature be somewhat judgemental by putting them in the under 13 mark? Especially if maybe they have a point but it was misunderstood? I don't think we really should be labeling members on here according to their opinions, it may just make things harder actually. The concept is an interesting and clever idea, it would just have side effects imo.

We could call it under 13's + parquette

But all parquette jokes aside, we don't have to enforce this age rule, just make it clear that more mature content exists in one then the other, so if you don't want to get offended, by all means stay in the under 13's section

 

[CloudBryan9]

Eh, I think dividing the forums might be a bad idea. Due to the fact we are: 1) already a small community 2) we are already divided (no sense in dividing it any more.) Right now we need to focus on being one large community again.

I understand parquette that swearing is a big issue for you. I am not here to criticize your standards/views. However this community from the get go, has always aimed for a solid PG-13 rating. (Course in the recent months there were things that were posted/said that were beyond that said PG-13 rating. But that is another entirely different issue.)

Side note: Correct me if I'm wrong. But I seem to remember when you are creating an account, in the legal section, don't you have to certify you are older than 13? (Don't create an alt account to see. Otherwise you might accidently get your current account auto-locked. This is a question for the Community Admins)

 

[Baker93]

Side note: Correct me if I'm wrong. But I seem to remember when you are creating an account, in the legal section, don't you have to certify you are older than 13? (Don't create an alt account to see. Otherwise you might accidently get your current account auto-locked. This is a question for the Community Admins)

Nah, you just agree to these terms: http://escaperestart.com/forum/help/terms

 

[parquette]

Eh, I think dividing the forums might be a bad idea. Due to the fact we are: 1) already a small community 2) we are already divided (no sense in dividing it any more.) Right now we need to focus on being one large community again.

I understand parquette that swearing is a big issue for you. I am not here to criticize your standards/views. However this community from the get go, has always aimed for a solid PG-13 rating. (Course in the recent months there were things that were posted/said that were beyond that said PG-13 rating. But that is another entirely different issue.)

Side note: Correct me if I'm wrong. But I seem to remember when you are creating an account, in the legal section, don't you have to certify you are older than 13? (Don't create an alt account to see. Otherwise you might accidently get your current account auto-locked. This is a question for the Community Admins)

Thank you Major_Bryan. I have no problem with d or a words, it's just when words like the f one and the s one are over used. Actually, if you watch movies, you may notice that the ones with a regular use of the f word are rated R (usually because of it's over use and the sexual/violant content). I however totally agree with you that PG-13 is the right rating for this community, and I personally think that's where it should stay.

My main concern with dividing the community is that there are people that may hate being considered immature just for having an opinion that they believe is right. For example;
"I personally think that you guys shouldn't be doing that to Tim. You guys should probably apologize and take care of it."
"What are you like 8?"
The person actually may have a legitimate reason for believing in what they do, and I don't think we should call them 8 years old because we don't agree with it. Actually, our opinions may be wrong. Does that mean we are 8 years old? Opinions make the world go round do they not?
I'm more focusing at people being offended by being considered non-mature, and that that is for their relatives to decide, not us a minecraft community. If we don't agree with their moral standpoint, then it's probably best not to say anything that may spark debate.
Also Aqua, I would appreciate it if you didn't call my opinions a "joke." I know you don't agree with me, nor will I force you to, but I would appreciate it if you respected my opinion and left it at that Thanks!

 

[Cheeseman21]

Thank you Major_Bryan. I have no problem with d or a words, it's just when words like the f one and the s one are over used. Actually, if you watch movies, you may notice that the ones with a regular use of the f word are rated R (usually because of it's over use and the sexual/violant content). I however totally agree with you that PG-13 is the right rating for this community, and I personally think that's where it should stay.

My main concern with dividing the community is that there are people that may hate being considered immature just for having an opinion that they believe is right. For example;
"I personally think that you guys shouldn't be doing that to Tim. You guys should probably apologize and take care of it."
"What are you like 8?"
The person actually may have a legitimate reason for believing in what they do, and I don't think we should call them 8 years old because we don't agree with it. Actually, our opinions may be wrong. Does that mean we are 8 years old? Opinions make the world go round do they not?
I'm more focusing at people being offended by being considered non-mature, and that that is for their relatives to decide, not us a minecraft community. If we don't agree with their moral standpoint, then it's probably best not to say anything that may spark debate.
Also Aqua, I would appreciate it if you didn't call my opinions a "joke." I know you don't agree with me, nor will I force you to, but I would appreciate it if you respected my opinion and left it at that Thanks!

Look I don't know what is going on, but all I know is that Hitler wanted censorship, and anything that Hitler was for, I have to be against.

 

[Nillbugwtw]

Side note: Correct me if I'm wrong. But I seem to remember when you are creating an account, in the legal section, don't you have to certify you are older than 13? (Don't create an alt account to see. Otherwise you might accidently get your current account auto-locked. This is a question for the Community Admins)

Nah, you just agree to these terms: http://escaperestart.com/forum/help/terms

There is also a minimum cap on (reported) age, anyone under 11 isn't given access when creating an account.

 

[parquette]

Look I don't know what is going on, but all I know is that Hitler wanted censorship, and anything that Hitler was for, I have to be against.

Wait a minute, I'm being accused of being like Hitler, and that I am evil? This is going a bit far I'd say :-(
The only thing I asked for was "could we please tone it down on the cussing a little bit? I feel that it is getting over used in the context it is being written." I'm sorry, this is not censorship. This is me trying to make sure this community is a friendly, well run one. I believe in freedom of speech, but it must be said within a gentlemanly manner. And censoring some sentences is important, for sexual talk shouldn't be brought up too often (sexual topics are actually very private) I'm not sure why people think I am censoring them in particular. And also, just because cussing imo isn't clean, doesn't make me a Nazi. I have absolutely no respect for Hitler either, nor do I agree with what he teaches. I am asking that we tone things down that way we are a respectful community towards others. Hitler didn't have respect for other groups or religions, otherwise he wouldn't have cause the Jewish Holocaust.

Why is it that everyone on this community can make a point and everyone's fine with it, but when I try to make one that is thought out, everyone starts getting mad at me and starts accusing me of things?

Again, and I can only stress this so much. I was only asking for cussing to be TONED down a bit. I am also trying to make sure that my posts are not harsh, or offensive in any way. Forgive me GoldenValley, I wasn't trying to derail any threads, nor will I (in fact, I made the first thread, so I didn't derail anything). I was doing what this and the last thread asked, and that was to make suggestions that could help the community and people take them seriously in a respectful manner. I was speaking this time about the sexual content being brought into the community, and I only brought up the f word because it is being used for such things.

Please everyone, let's respect my opinions like I am respecting yours. This community is unfortunately really making me sad, because everyone is now attacked for their beliefs and things. I used to make friends on here, and we all had fun together. Now everyone but maybe a few are against me. I do apologize that this topic was brought up again, I was only using that as an example for a different topic. This is my last post on the affair, I have done my part in contributing to this community, I will do my best to not derail this thread. Forgive me mods, if feel need be, you can delete my posts in this thread that are focused on the cussing issue, and aren't on the sexual talk topic I originally made. And this post is not intended to be funny, so don't rate it funny, please take this seriously. I am doing everything I can to contribute to this community, because quite frankly, this is my favorite Minecraft server.

 

[Cheeseman21]

Wait a minute, I'm being accused of being like Hitler, and that I am evil? This is going a bit far I'd say :-(
The only thing I asked for was "could we please tone it down on the cussing a little bit? I feel that it is getting over used in the context it is being written." I'm sorry, this is not censorship. This is me trying to make sure this community is a friendly, well run one. I believe in freedom of speech, but it must be said within a gentlemanly manner. I'm not sure why people think I am censoring them in particular. And also, just because cussing imo isn't clean, doesn't make me a Nazi. I have absolutely no respect for Hitler either, nor do I agree with what he teaches. I am asking that we tone things down that way we are a respectful community towards others. Hitler didn't have respect for other groups or religions, otherwise he wouldn't have cause the Jewish Holocaust.

Why is it that everyone on this community can make a point and everyone's fine with it, but when I try to make one that is thought out, everyone starts getting mad at me and starts accusing me of things?

Again, and I can only stress this so much. I was only asking for cussing to be TONED down a bit. I am also trying to make sure that my posts are not harsh, or offensive in any way. Forgive me GoldenValley, I wasn't trying to derail any threads, nor will I (in fact, I made the first thread, so I didn't derail anything). I was doing what this and the last thread asked, and that was to make suggestions that could help the community and people take them seriously in a respectful manner. I was speaking this time about the sexual content being brought into the community, and I only brought up the f word because it is being used for such things.

Please everyone, let's respect my opinions like I am respecting yours. This community is unfortunately really making me sad, because everyone is now attacked for their beliefs and things. I used to make friends on here, and we all had fun together. Now everyone but maybe a few are against me, and things. I do apologize that this topic was brought up again, I was only using that as an example for a different topic. This is my last post on the affair, I have done my part in contributing to this community, I will do my best to not derail this thread.

The thing is you are taking this too seriously brah, its just a "mine craft" community full of people who just want to play games. Just relax a bit you just responded to a once sentence thing with 4 fucking paragraphs about Hitler, but things into perspective fam.

 

[parquette]

My apologies Cheeseman21, I was receiving things where people weren't taking my request seriously, and were cussing in my face because of my point of view. I am very much concerned about this community, which is why my posts have been very deep. Sorry if I snapped at you, I just hate being compared to Hitler.