My instinctual reaction is to say probably town since I don't get the feeling he's actually pushing for anything and meta-wise that means town to me for fog and even without meta that just says he doesn't have an agenda to kill people to me as well.
Also choco who would you say is 'influential' this game?
This is quite a townie-toned post so good job if you're mafia
However:
I don't believe this read tbh. I just struggle to believe that choco being active and interested makes you think they're more likely to be town, it feels way too easy for you to town read him because of that, especially since you didn't mention alisha or shadow's activity making you question your other points on them. It feels like you decided already you wanted to town read him and then wanted to find as many reasons as you could to do that, which isn't something town would do. Can you explain to me why choco being active and showing interest makes you think they're town but you didn't mention that when reading anyone else please?
In response to the stuff you've said about me:
To be clear I'm not suspecting you *because* you didn't want to lynch ernie yesterday, I'm suspecting you because of your weird insistence that ernie's behaviour was just because they were new, and how you acted like it didn't make sense for anyone to think you were mafia because you didn't lynch ernie and used that to try to deflect suspicion from you, even though I think a town TWG would understand why it could make sense. It all smells like an agenda to me.
The fact you didn't lynch ernie doesn't make me ignore those points because I can easily see mafia doing exactly what you did. Not voting ernie just isn't something that sways me to think anybody is town, at least not on its own.
Also I'm not trying to find mafia in the people who didn't vote ernie, I'm just not using the 'who voted ernie' to direct who I focus on. If people make posts that I find suspicious I'll investigate it, regardless of whether they voted ernie. If I ignore you or UNU or anyone else who pings my radar just on the basis that they didn't vote ernie then I think that's a mistake because mafia could easily have not voted ernie yesterday, and I could die tonight so I don't have the luxury of waiting until later to investigate certain people who didn't vote ernie and focus on the ones that did first.
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Anyways, I have a question to ask everybody and I'd like everyone to answer please.
Out of TWG and molten, which would you rather us lynch, and why?
This is everyone's opportunity to have their say in the direction of this day, since right now it's looking like this is the way we're headed judging by what I've read.
I'll answer too - TWG since something has happened in the thread which has set my intuition off on molten being a mislynch. I don't know what specifically yet but that's how I feel about it. TWG though I'm feeling more convinced that he's scum for the reasons I told him above.
I have a slight preference for Molten to be lynched because none of his reads feel genuine - his switch from thinking catgirl and I are a scumteam to believing both of us to be townsided still doesn't make complete sense to me.
TWG took until his last big post to actually make an attempt to scumhunt, and he's still trying to spread lies (He spent effort portraying me as a flipflopper again, so I don't think anything he has to say is going to be helpful at all)
I'd rather lynch Molten first, but they're both scum so whoever gets enough votes is who I'm fine with.
I actually mentioned it with some of the other players. Notably you and Alisha I felt like it wouldn't be fair or correct to judge your alignment after activity, as you are two of the most vocal players. It's not like Choco is usually quiet, it's just that I thought that as a sign of town-like behaviour. Of course I don't draw the final conclusion on people's alignment based on how active and interested they are, it's not like Choco is 100% town because he is active. In hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have included that part.
I see, I must've misunderstood your point earlier. On day 0, as Ernie was new, and I felt like most players was ignoring that, I felt the need to call them out. The lynch just seemed odd from my perspective. This was what I thought earlier, and while I still think the Ernie lynch was unnecessary, I can see the appeal in it, and why people voted them. In all likeliness, if Ernie was still alive and continued their behaviour, then it's likely that I would end up voting them.
I agree, and my impression earlier was that it was a factor (and I was misstaken)
In my earlier post, I mentioned Shadow_Hunter3 and Alisha. I think they're just as good lynch targets, if not better, than Molten. Shadow_Hunter3 mostly because his vote has been jumpy, he voted for proven town and it feels like he has been trying to follow bandwagons.
Alisha because she voted for at least (from my point of view) 4 proven townies day 0. Her posts make my scum-bell ring like crazy.
Correct, you were okay with lynching (almost) anyone on day 0. Admittely, it would make sense from your perspective, if you were willing to vote for everyone, that you ended up voting for them. However, just the fact that you voted 3 proven townies should ring some alarm bells, voting patterns in mafia is a factor. I'll admit that it makes somewhat sense in your example. Also: sorry for not realising you have said this multiple times before.
Mm thought about this and I'll retract this specific statement since I think that's a bias I have for fog based on meta, I don't think that's something I necessarily believe when it comes to other people (I was suspicious of UNU who isn't pushing for anyone for example). The first sentence still stands though
Anyways I'd really like it if people answered that question soon please since we don't have a huge amount of time left
I would say perhaps Tim, Alisha, (Fog), myself.
You seem to Townread most of us (Tim's read I can understand) while doing a flip-flop on Alisha.
Since you and Tim both say you trust each other I will just follow whichever wagon you two both agree on (which looking at it is either Weak or MoltenAshes) - but I will say for now my general suspicions lie on the same reads I have posted before:
The reason why I trust Tim is because:
1. He claimed 1-shot vig - an SK trying to imitate this to claim vigilante later is possible, but with the Mafia around doing so is literally suicide since Mafia has to get rid of SK to win
2. A Mafia trying to imitate a vigilante claim could end up being shot by a real vigilante, plus claiming so early on is not very Mafia-like behaviour. It presents too much risk perhaps?
That's all I wanted to say.
So, we absolutely have to lynch someone today, because if we no-lynch, we go from having 1 mislynch to less than 1. And we have about 48 hours left in the day.
A reminder of the people I think we should be looking at: Molten, Weak, Unu, Fog, and Shadow
MoltenAshes Why shouldn't we lynch you?
The same question applies to Unusual_Dood, Fog, Shadow_Hunter3 and Weak who I won't tag because he's active enough to see this.
A reminder of the people I think we should be looking at: Molten, Weak, Unu, Fog, and Shadow
Another reminder, Infected posed this question and I would also like to see it answered. Frankly, I'm a little bit lost right now. I feel as though I'd prefer a Molten lynch, but I'm not sure why.
MoltenAshes Why shouldn't we lynch you?
The same question applies to Unusual_Dood, Fog, Shadow_Hunter3 and Weak who I won't tag because he's active enough to see this.
It's almost impossible to answer this question, even with emotional appeal!
When you look through the game, it certainly feels like there's only 4-5 people who has been stating their opinions this game, and the rest has just followed after. Have you ever noticed how similar each "scumlist" ends up being? Me being the one out of two candidates for the lynch illustrates this at it's best: 3 people saying their opinion about me, and the rest silently follows. There's really no way of defending myself against people who don't voice their opinion. Don't lynch me is all I'm gonna say, and if you do, then I'm gonna enjoy a fine ego boost.
Oh I thought you were trying to softclaim something
But no I wouldn't say that's true, there's no reason you'd get an ego boost for being right about your own role, moreso I'd say it's that your ego doesn't get hurt as much if you get lynched as town relative to if you get lynched as mafia because it's a lot easier to put the blame on other people misreading you rather than you failing to blend in with the town. That's my personal belief anyway
