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I read practically everything except for when iggish started making big posts about rune without rune posting in between I kinda skipped those since they were essentially pointless and kind of annoyingon a more serious note, notty has been extremely busy this last week, so I doubt they have read everything here or got a good overview of things.
I can't find this conversation at all. Where did you make big posts?This is what Inffy and I discussed right after my big posts. Read those, and quote me again if you still find it unclear.
That is sort of what I meant with 'mistakes' (if this can clear that up a bit more). I DO understand why you think is scummy, because I think I know how you read his message. You probably felt the 'ill stick to my word' was unnecesairy and out of place, because you probably read it more as 'this is my claim, and ill keep this as my claim in the future' (it's hard to describe) instead of 'i said before i'd claim, so ill do that now'. My point was that I interpret the same message in a different way, HENCE not thinking it is scummy. Does that make sense?Fair enough, although can you understand why I think it is scummy?
Well, except for the fact that it is the keystone for my suspicion of Rune but yeah, whatever. Idk how it's "pointless".I read practically everything except for when iggish started making big posts about rune without rune posting in between I kinda skipped those since they were essentially pointless and kind of annoying
I can't find this conversation at all. Where did you make big posts?
I'm guessing you mean your large post with the bolded numbers but under that I can't see any conversation relating to that.
When did he promise to claim this day? Pretty sure he never said that, which is why Iggish's interpretation makes sense, to me at least.
Oops ye it was just 1 post, my badI read that as him saying he would claim this day, but I must admit in my head it was a heavier promise than what it actually is. still feel like iggish played it off than a bigger deal than it was (but i guess that is just, like, my opinion)
Oh, ok. Yeah, from your perspective, that clears it up as you had a stronger memory in your head that what it realistically was. This could also have been the case with Rune. He might've thought that it sounded more like a promise then it did as well.Also, it was litterally one of the posts from Inffy soon after that, and then a single reply from my side. It's not that hard to find?
(and here, by ignoring, I mean not even responding anymore)- Eventually after ignoring the question for loads of pages whilst commenting on other things, he said that he thought Iggish's country diagram post about canada being a big country...etc.
Also to clarify, he kept pointing to parts of the game after he accused Iggish, for the reasons of his accusation, which obviously doesn't make sense because rune isn't a psychic and can't see Iggish's future posts to accuse, which is why it seemed like he made it all up to get Iggish lynched and then couldn't come up with any Iggish post that fit the criterea of what Rune accused him of; leading town, being vocal and pushing for lynches.- Me and Iggish asked Rune about where Iggish was supposedly 'leading town and pushing for lynches' and he kept avoiding the question by answering with an irrelevant responses that were pointing to different points in time and different behaviours e.g. (these aren't actual quotes, just made up to give a general idea of what the conversations were like) "when was he leading lynches" "he was being reactive after you said he was being reactive" "but rune when was he leading lynches like you said he was" "his playstyle was similar to last game, that's my interpretation" "but rune, where was he leading lynches" etc. etc. etc.
Right now, Iggy is the most suspicious because he pulled the same shit before when he was third party and nearly got away with it. I would not trust Iggy to lead the selection process in the slightest because he did that last time and really assisted the Mafia because of it.
Here are all the responses from Rune asking 'where did Iggish take the lead'. Bear in mind that these are just his written responses; on more than one occasion he straight up ignored the question.3) I mean, if you looked back at the last mafia game; his style of play there when he was third party is similar to this current play style.
For instance, like I said trying to be the leader of the lynch/the most vocal one to try to get the lynch rolling. In the previous game, he did this to assist Mafia as his third party role was to interfere and make Mafia's life more easy. In this game, the third party wins automatically when Town wins so it makes sense he's doing similar plays to try to get people the least susp of him so he can win when Town wins.
1) You probably saw what I meant when he becomes over-reactive but it's probably me being paranoid
Green = Last game, Iggish was very reactive/extremely vocal when it came to who to lynch. When it came to the end, we found out that his role was a third party which would win if Mafia wins. The 'shit' which iggish does is the fact that under pressure, or in general when he is in a role such as third party or mafia, he becomes more animated/reactive in his conversation. This is a huge indicator that maybe, Iggish could potentially not be inno. This was also backed up with his sudden change in tone/the way he is acting currently.
You yourself mention the fact that his style is similar to the game that he did last time. I was arguing that his style was similar to what he did last game, which again you mention yourself:
Anyways, moving on.
He could potentially do that, I was just describing what he was doing last game. What my real point was how his style is repeated in this game; which again you noticed yourself. I mean, it's still Day 1 and he could start to begin what he was doing before. He could very well just be town though and that it's his usual play style to be reactive.
Firstly, I said that he was doing that when he was third-party and not Mafia. However in that game he DID assist Mafia. In that game, because he was the more vocal one; people were more inclined to trust him because of this. In this game, it could potentially work but because we know he did that when he was third party then it's not effective anymore. He's either town due to this being his normal role or Mafia/third party due to there being pas
Because how the hell do I know if he's town sided or not. He could very well just be playing his normal playstyle because I think last game was his first game in Mafia. You can understand my reasoning when I say that him being reactive when he was mafia could translate into this game
I'll say this for the final time, this was because of his reactive playstyle and that if you were in my position to witness it then you can draw parallels to his last game.
I said that because we were talking about it in dead chat in the last game. Annoyingly, I was the first to be killed off so I couldn't reply to anything. In that game, he was mostly taking the lead in discussions. The game I'm talking about is the Rick and Morty Mafia game where you can see him do this. I said it because I thought that he could potentially do it again in this game. It's a theory, not me definite about something.
You said yourself that he was acting similarly, but not enough to what he was doing last game. When we questioned about it, he became more reactive. The reason why I thought Iggish was being more vocal was due to his huge posts in which he made all of the figures. Obviously it looks bigger in mobile than on the PC. It's what I saw, but obviously I can be wrong because I was skimming through the whole thread anyways.
Take this thread, and take the Rick and Morty thread and put them side to side when it comes to Iggy's replies and you can see what I'm talking about.
Ok, take your play style currently and the one you did last game in Rick and Morty and draw comparisons. Some people would agree with me that potentially your play style is different. There is evidence of you being more reactive, people have even posted about you being reactive so I don't accept your argument there. There is evidence to it because you can see the change that you make. It wasn't allegedly too, it was definite that you did become more reactive, which could be due to stress. The proof that you talk about is actually the way you comment and the way you act which could cause someone to be suspicious of you. And now you have died down and quieted down when I pointed out that you are reactive and that others have noticed you.
I'll be honest, there's no proper way to explain my hunch so I really can't keep trying to reword it because I actually can't. All my brain is saying that you were doing dodgy stuff in the last game which was similar to this one; that's literally it. It's not me trying to avoid the question and I'm just fine claiming right now. Like I said, take your performance from the last game and this one and you can probably see some similarity. Not exact but some and that's probably where you can understand what I'm saying.
Other than that, that's pretty much the only reason why I look like scum; because it's difficult for me to explain it. Anyways, I'm now inclined to believe that you're probably town but others in your country are most likely not.
Holy shit, let me say this in baby speak so you can understand
What it might look like to you:
YOU LAST GAME: HEYYY GUYS, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD REALLY REALLY REALLY LYNCH THIS GUY
THIS GAME: I GOT JUSTIFICATION FOR LYNCHING SOMEBODY BUT THEY COULD STILL BE POTENTIALLY TOWN
This is how it looked like to me:
YOU LAST GAME: HEYYYY GUYS, LETS LYNCH THIS GUY BECAUSE HE'S 100% MAFIA
THIS GAME: I AM REALLY REACTIVE AND IT MAKES ME LOOK LIKE I WANT TO PUSH A LYNCH FOR SOMEONE.
That's literally it, but you're making it look like that I'm scum because of my PERSONAL EVALUATION of the last game compared to this one. You can have a different opinion but it doesn't justify you constantly pushing for answers when its just my opinion. Are you that threatened that you keep asking for a reasoning why, possibly due to the fact that it could possibly result in you looking like Mafia?
And I've already concended in the fact that you might be town due to the reactivity of your posts being explained by you and notty and the fact that the second time reading through everything; you look less scummy.
Extention, I think it's literally due to the fact that because of your diagrams and stuff like that; it looked like you were trying to explain something which made you look more vocal and more controlling of the argument. I'll be honest again, I'm not sure why but it felt like a vibe to me so
It became more reactive from the notty + iggy argument, and before that was most likely me looking at the diagrams and thinking he was more vocal/more likely to lead a lynch because of it.
At this point, I'm inclined to believe it was me thinking at a time when you were doing the diagrams and the larger posts; that this made you look more vocal and therefore made you look like you were pushing for a lynch.
That's probably it tbh, I think its more likely my brain saying
Activity this early = trying to push for something, and to be fair I was skimming through the posts because of my mobile phone and the blocks of text being far more difficult to read. Like I said, you already won the argument and it's most likely my gut instinct being very sensitive and paranoid for no reason. It's been a while since I first made that argument and so far been paying the price for it, I've got no clue what my brain was going through in that moment
Which is why he kept referring to this moment.Just worded it better than I currently can since I'm on a phone and it's difficult to track what everyone is saying. I'll have a reply for you btw Inf when I get back.
That reply that Iggy gave really boosted my suspicion levels for Iggy by a couple of points
(again this particular mafia game seems x1000 more boring to me than literally any other game ever so cough i haven't paid attention cough BUT)If we're not happy to lynch Rune today then I propose an Oak lynch. Who's up for lynching Oak?
because i havent been talking(again this particular mafia game seems x1000 more boring to me than literally any other game ever so cough i haven't paid attention cough BUT)
why is oak a lynch candidate
same to me, but got better day 2, hope it will get even better day 3(again this particular mafia game seems x1000 more boring to me than literally any other game ever so cough i haven't paid attention cough BUT)
why is oak a lynch candidate
(again this particular mafia game seems x1000 more boring to me than literally any other game ever so cough i haven't paid attention cough BUT)
why is oak a lynch candidate
Yeah thisokay no to be fair and not oversimplify it
i had said very little so far, only asking at the beginning of this day why people were so suspicious of rune, when i was called out for not talking i mentioned the fact that no one had answered my question, of course i havent really read shit so apparently there are multiple posts that actually answered my question but never answered me specifically. So of course I appear to be supporting rune by ignoring the actual conversation thats going on.
i mean you can say the exact same thing about me thoYeah this
Yeah but the difference is that Oak said that he wasn't speaking because his question wasn't answered even though it was, which made me think he was just trying to come up with an excuse to not participate in his lynching, which doesn't sound townie. But obviously it could just be that he didn't read the thread (but why did he feel sure about saying his question wasn't answered if he didn't read the thread, idk).i mean you can say the exact same thing about me tho
since i asked why weak was suspicious at the start (i mean i did read the reason and i think its garbagio) and didnt really comment about it after
Yeah I'd definitely rather lynch rune or someone where we have an actual reason to suspect them other than inactivity, but if not rune then we have to start looking elsewhere, and out of the active people, I don't have any suspicions, so my mind then moves to the inactive ones because it doesn't have much choice.Infected_alien8_
I have split views on inactive people:
On one hand, we might be lynching someone based on nothing, because they said nothing, and that is oviously really stupid.
On the other hand, they are contributing nothing except making our population higher than mafia's.
Other than that this also could be a free ride for mafia, with a really easy way to blend in, just keep you rmourth shut.
Does the above sum up your thoughts too, and do you have anything more we should take into concideration about inactive people?
I would honestly prefer to lynch someone else than some inactive people for the first reason, maybe tomorrow too? At least if we have storng supicions.
Because it's entirely possible that the reason Oak refused to take part in the Rune lynch was because he knows that rune's town because he's Mafia and didn't want to look in on the lynch. Avoiding discussion isn't a townie thing to do in my eyes, so whatever Rune's allignment is, I can't help but think of scummy reasons to do it.If a Rune lynch were to not go ahead and someone else was to get lynched, I couldn't see the point in lynching oak. Especially if the main reason is that he was supposedly defending Rune, who we have deemed not to lynch.
I mean, if we decided not to lynch Rune, that would be because we decided that he is probably not a mafia and more likely a townie. So why would we then go on to lynch someone basically for the only reason that they supposedly defended someone that we now consider townie. I don't understand this. If Oak were mafia he probably would jump at the opportunity to lynch Rune, not try to get out of the lynch. If he was mafia why would he defend someone who we deemed to be town. And if we didn't deem Rune to be town, then why wouldn't we lynch him.
Unless I've read something wrong, this doesn't make any sense to me.